BRU 16/08/06: fire near runway / airport closed ?

CTBke · Post by **CTBke** » 16 Aug 2006, 20:57

hi guys,

we just had a diversion from OO-VLR LCY-BRU but he pax where able to take of in antwerp with a shuttel provided by VLM Airliens OO-VLR went back to brussels

Post by **Apuneger** » 16 Aug 2006, 21:16

Just got back from a quick trip to BRU. Aircraft were indeed landing on/taking off from 07L. I counted 7 fellow aviation enthusiasts at the same spot, including myself and 2 small kids

On moments like these it's nice to see how ATC can nicely separate the inbound and outbound traffic, make the departures fit in nicely between landing traffic, almost like a zipper

Greets,
Ivan

AFApresident · Post by **AFApresident** » 16 Aug 2006, 21:24

I was on VEX 807 from Barcelona. We were kept in a holding patern over Aalst/Alost for nearly 20min, and were just about to set up for the approach in Charleroi, when we turned around again over the boat lift in Strépy-Thieu for a visual rwy 7L.

A very nice approach over Koekelberg and the willebroek canal.

We landed at a somewhat deserted airport shortly before 6pm (approximately 30min delayed).

---------------------
Thomas

Post by **Apuneger** » 16 Aug 2006, 22:49

...and here 3 photos I took this evening:

Etihad A330 A6-EYE lining up 07L:

CSA A320 OK-GEA short finals 07L:

JetAir 737 OO-VAS holding short 07L during rush hour:

Greets,
Ivan

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 16 Aug 2006, 22:52

The Metro from OLT164 coming from Bremen diverted into ANR.

Post by **Bottie** » 17 Aug 2006, 00:32

That explains why I saw several planes heading to BRU at the Van Den Stock-stadium in Anderlecht ... for sure more interesting then what I paid for (0-0) ...

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 17 Aug 2006, 01:52

I was on VEX 807 from Barcelona. We were kept in a holding patern over Aalst/Alost for nearly 20min, and were just about to set up for the approach in Charleroi,

Actually your flight was the first one to arrive, they requested a visual APP on rwy 07L iso diversion, after that many others followed. In the beginning of this thread their were 3 SNBA flights reported diverted but they returned to BRU again before landing at the alternate. Only 1 VEX (ex-NCE) went to Charleroi, and an FB (Bulgaria) went to Ostend as well as a Finnair aircraft and a Turkish charter one (I think it was sunexpress).

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 17 Aug 2006, 05:19

luchtzak wrote:I was getting worried as I didn't found another Belgian website who brought the news

VRTnieuws.net has a video

De piste 07 Links op de luchthaven van Zaventem wordt woensdagavond "voor de tweede maal in dertig jaar" gebruikt voor landingen op de luchthaven van Zaventem.

07L was used for the second time in 30years, yesterday night!

btw
If you want to SEE what the weather is like in Brussels, goto VRT English webpage and look by yourself at Brussels in the right hand bottom corner.

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Aug 2006, 08:52

luchtzak wrote:Meanwhile André sn26567 has landed safely on 07L

I confirm. SN2556 from WAW landed on 07L one hour late. It is indeed a rare view to land on 07L, flying over the basilica of Koekelberg, the Royal palace in Laeken and the Brussels harbour.

AF036 · Post by **AF036** » 17 Aug 2006, 10:37

Alitalia I-DAWL was seen at CRL yesterday 16/8
It departed empty around 20:00.

Sparrow · Post by **Sparrow** » 17 Aug 2006, 11:17

They use today also runway 25R for take off. I have just seen sn351 to Kinshasa.
Yesterday we had a fire on runway 02/20 and is that the reason now why the use also runway 25R for take off?

Kind regards
Bavo

stefanel · Post by **stefanel** » 17 Aug 2006, 11:49

Hello,

I noticed the planes over Schaerbeek yesterday evening, and I called the Atis and got to know that runway 07L was used for arrival. Unbelievalbe! Esp. as the winds were very light (150 4knots! ludicrous to use that runway under normal circumstances).
Unfortunately, yesterday I couldn't go watch those rare landings as I had to pack up my bags for my departure to Croatia.

I would like to know the times runway 07L was used, if someone knows or can give an approximation.

Also, why runway 07L and not 07R since they reopened that runway later on (I called at 10pm and they were using 25L for arrivals) ?

How long was the airport closed ?

How come there were so many delays with departures ? Couldn't they have the planes take off some meters after 25L threshold ?

Glider · Post by **Glider** » 17 Aug 2006, 12:16

EBAW_flyer wrote:
I was on VEX 807 from Barcelona. We were kept in a holding patern over Aalst/Alost for nearly 20min, and were just about to set up for the approach in Charleroi,
an FB (Bulgaria) went to Ostend as well as a Finnair aircraft and a Turkish charter one (I think it was sunexpress).

Indeed, the FB went to OST. I had to do research, because my dad would take that plane out of BRU to Varna. The plane was delayed, so they call me so look for causes

The second plane in OST was indeed a Sunexpress (origin and destination AYT). The Finnair mentioned in the quote diverted, according to Teletekst, to Maastricht.

Stella_Caeli · Post by **Stella_Caeli** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:10

stefanel wrote:Hello,

I noticed the planes over Schaerbeek yesterday evening, and I called the Atis and got to know that runway 07L was used for arrival. Unbelievalbe! Esp. as the winds were very light (150 4knots! ludicrous to use that runway under normal circumstances).

No other option, wind was 190 at 6 for a certain moment. The fire made 25R and 20 unusable, the wind made 02 with reduced landing and takeoff distance unusable, and the construction works made 25L and 07R unusable.

stefanel wrote:I would like to know the times runway 07L was used, if someone knows or can give an approximation.

Check the time of the posts in this topic (i.e. 'they're using 07L, they're using 25L"), it's a good approximation

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stefanel wrote:Also, why runway 07L and not 07R since they reopened that runway later on (I called at 10pm and they were using 25L for arrivals) ?

07R was closed due to construction works. The decision to reopen it had to be made first. With wind 19006KT they would have used 25L instead of 07R.

stefanel wrote: How come there were so many delays with departures ? Couldn't they have the planes take off some meters after 25L threshold ?

Only after the decision to reopen it was made, but at that time they could also use 25R for departures again (from B3 intersection).

Kind regards,
Sebastian

Stella_Caeli · Post by **Stella_Caeli** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:22

Sparrow wrote:They use today also runway 25R for take off. I have just seen sn351 to Kinshasa.
Yesterday we had a fire on runway 02/20 and is that the reason now why the use also runway 25R for take off?

Kind regards
Bavo

Not sure what you mean, until the fire 25R was not affected by anything so it has been used for arrivals and departures most of the time this month.

Due to the consequences of the fire, 25R can not be used for landings. It can be used for takeoffs, but only from B3 or later intersectons.

Sparrow · Post by **Sparrow** » 17 Aug 2006, 17:32

Stella_Caeli wrote:
Sparrow wrote:They use today also runway 25R for take off. I have just seen sn351 to Kinshasa.
Yesterday we had a fire on runway 02/20 and is that the reason now why the use also runway 25R for take off?

Kind regards
Bavo
Not sure what you mean, until the fire 25R was not affected by anything so it has been used for arrivals and departures most of the time this month.

Due to the consequences of the fire, 25R can not be used for landings. It can be used for takeoffs, but only from B3 or later intersectons.

Oeps, sorry I have made a mistake. I mean 25L. Sorry

I have seen also the other SN A330s, the two AA's, a Kalitta Air, a HBA, a 757F of Ethiopian and a A321 of Inter airlines.

Kind regards
Bavo

Stella_Caeli · Post by **Stella_Caeli** » 17 Aug 2006, 18:36

Sparrow wrote:
Oeps, sorry I have made a mistake. I mean 25L. Sorry
I have seen also the other SN A330s, the two AA's, a Kalitta Air, a HBA, a 757F of Ethiopian and a A321 of Inter airlines.

Kind regards
Bavo

I am not sure, those are probably the heavy ones that need more takeoff distance than 25R/B3 can offer. They can use the full length of rwy 25L after some backtracking. Can a well-informed person confirm this?

Mavke · Post by **Mavke** » 17 Aug 2006, 19:51

hi,

wel i must say that around 22.30 lt runway 25L was in use for arrivals and the 25R for takeoff without runwaylights !
DHL planes had all 15Mins delay on arrival.

Mavke

matsATC · Post by **matsATC** » 17 Aug 2006, 20:34

wel i must say that around 22.30 lt runway 25L was in use for arrivals and the 25R for takeoff without runwaylights !

That is not quite correct. Approach lights on 25L are being replaced. Yesterday evening, we were told that all other runway lights on 25L were available and thus 25L could be used. The electricians did their best to get the approach lights working again before sunset.

On 25R only the centerline lights were available after the fire destroyed the cabling. With pilot and/or company approval, this seems to be sufficient for take-offs by night.

Stella_Caeli · Post by **Stella_Caeli** » 18 Aug 2006, 01:50

Due to the consequences of the fire, the ongoing construction works continue to be suspended until 19/08/2006 06:00z.

Until then rwy 25L/07R will be available for arrivals (no ILS approach), and also for departures of heavy acft who need more takeoff distance than 25R/B3 can offer.

Kind regards,
Sebastian