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[Stepha380]

Stay on topic please. Its going about U2 in Belgium.

Does BRU has a specific terminal for low turn around time or a terminal that doesn't look like a department store for LCC ???

BRU-CDG will never work but BRU-GEN, BRU-NICE for sure

[Atlantis]

BRU has no LCC terminal. The only one who is an option is the A-terminal for Shengen countries.

Or they can use the parking spots but then they have to pay for the bus company.

Its still unknown what BIAC will do with the old Satellite. Using it for LCC or not. I think there are 7 to 8 gates on it.

[Airbus330lover]

BRU has no LCC terminal. The only one who is an option is the A-terminal for Shengen countries.

Or they can use the parking spots but then they have to pay for the bus company.

Its still unknown what BIAC will do with the old Satellite. Using it for LCC or not. I think there are 7 to 8 gates on it.

It could be used for LCC but must be refurbished (jetways out on service, ols terminal) and.... adapted for eventual special accomodations (SHENGEN/NON SHNEGEN)

[Stepha380]

I have only been to two bases of U2: LTN and CDG, they don't use jetways there because they board the aircraft by front and rear doors.

LTN: boarding gates are on the first floor, and queue lines before boarding are on the ground floor (white roof on the pic). As soon as the plane is ready, passengers walks on the ramp to the aircraft around 50m(yes it s+++++ when it rains), gate agents close the vehicle circulation while pax are walking


CDG: (as said before) passengers are called by priority groups to board the buses (under the white roof). Buses u-turn on the round-about and then drop you in front of the plane. Easy parking places are on the top.


Do you have a spare parking area in BRU or something that could match one of these design?

[Atlantis]

Yes they could do at at BRU, at the old Satellite. That's the only terminal with a ground floor. I know, when I was working years ago at the airport, pax go on foot from the terminal to the airplane who was stood at the gate.

You have also a parkingspot between the Satellite and the cleaning building. You have several spots but that's too far for pax to do that on foot. I think BIAC would not allow that.

[sab319]

the sattelite would be ideal to transform into a LCC terminal.

It would be wise to install an extra row of check-in desks in the old check-in hall (rows 12 and 13) for the LCC's and transform the old departures hall into a LCC shopping mall for both shengen and non-shengen PAX (this could be both accesiblle for all like a sort schiphol plaza or only for PAX after control of boarding cards) after which passengers can go through a security check point to cotinue though the connecting hallway to the actual sattelite where you divide the shengen and non-shengen pax. You put the non-shengen pax on the bottom level where they can just walk out of the door across the apron to their planes. The shengen pax can use the first floor where they can use the former jetways to walk to the ramp (you replace the movable piece that connects the fixed part of the jetway and the plane by a stair leading to the apron)

[airazurxtror]

BRU obviously could devise something to suit the LCC.
But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.
Virgin Express will soon vanish (and it's only half a LCC); Condor has given up after a few months... Vueling is still there - for how long ?

[Established02]

But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.

Why not? If a LCC can come up with a convincing story that they can structurally contribute to Macquarie's bottomline, why would the Aussies turn them away? I expect that Macquarie simply wants to maximise their return on investment, rather than being a protecting angel for SN/VEX, Star Alliance or any other stake holder.

[Atlantis]

BRU obviously could devise something to suit the LCC.
But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.
Virgin Express will soon vanish (and it's only half a LCC); Condor has given up after a few months... Vueling is still there - for how long ?

Excuse me!!! BIAC is given the LCC the same service like all the other airlines. What is your source about that? I give you the one, there is no source.

About Condor: BRU has nothing to do with the fact the route of DE didn't worked. DE used too big metal and their timetable was not the best.

About Virgin: they merger with SNBA remember??? The new airline will give two services in one airplane.

About Vueling: why are you saying "for how long"??? BRU was one of their first destinations and they are very satisfy.

I would advice to you, if you can not give real info don't react on topics you have no clue of it.

[Atlantis]

But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.

Why not? If a LCC can come up with a convincing story that they can structurally contribute to Macquarie's bottomline, why would the Aussies turn them away? I expect that Macquarie simply wants to maximise their return on investment, rather than being a protecting angel for SN/VEX, Star Alliance or any other stake holder.

Right you are. With LCC they could attract more pax, and more pax spend more money at the airport. Everyone is a winner in this case.
Pax pay less for the flight, BIAC has the traffic rights and BIAC/Macquarie earns the money of the shops.

[Stepha380]

BIAC/Macquarie earns the money of the shops.

LCC travelers don't buy a lot of things in the terminals, mainly food, drinks, magazines... and not shoes, clothes...
I think they will decrease the average expense per passenger.

[Vinnie-Winnie]

BRU obviously could devise something to suit the LCC.
But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.
Virgin Express will soon vanish (and it's only half a LCC); Condor has given up after a few months... Vueling is still there - for how long ?

What Biac has said is that it won't make any special efforts to attract LCC's. That would hurt their margins which would even fall further should airlines ask for some discounts as well!

Not sure about Biac's maths but let's assume that they know what they r doing...

buying 10 daily slots as mentioned above seems a bit much if you ask me... but fingers crossed could be true should Easyjet really think that there is a future at BRU.

Not much point speculating! Let's just pray...

[Airbus330lover]

BRU obviously could devise something to suit the LCC.
But the BRU management has made it clear that they are not interested and DO NOT WANT LCC to come to Brussels.
Virgin Express will soon vanish (and it's only half a LCC); Condor has given up after a few months... Vueling is still there - for how long ?

What Biac has said is that it won't make any special efforts to attract LCC's. That would hurt their margins which would even fall further should airlines ask for some discounts as well!

Not sure about Biac's maths but let's assume that they know what they r doing...

buying 10 daily slots as mentioned above seems a bit much if you ask me... but fingers crossed could be true should Easyjet really think that there is a future at BRU.

Not much point speculating! Let's just pray...

Logically if BIAC don't want efforts to attract LCC, it's not a problem.
The future off aviation is perhaps with more LCC. Wait and see, but if the demand becomes higher(From LCC point of view) the LCC will come to BRU and.... BIAC will to the necessary efforts after.
I mean they logcally don't want a mix of LCC and traditional carrier in the same terminal, not good for the business....

[FlightSimCrew]

Guys, I enjoy your discussion on whether BRU needs or will have an LCC operating in the future yes/no. But you tell me when an airline can call him/herself an LCC.. Just compare Ryanair with Southwest.. Although everybody calls Southwest the role-model of the low cost they sell at prices 50-100% more expensive than FR. They do not need to sell at 50ct fares to fill their aircraft because they only fly destinations that can support the traffic. FR on the otherhand, and I must admit they are strong at it must develop trade agreements with airports, set up difficult marketing schemes to get funding for their irrational pricing approach. And it has worked, Ryanair completely changed Europes low fare landscape convncing people that 1 EUR fares are a good price to travel but that story will be over soon. The airline is forced to increase its fares due to rising fuel prices as well as it is forced to increase revenue through baggage fees, credit card charges, etc.. The volume markets on which it can generate traffic are shrinking but still more and more aircraft are coming in.. the stimulation on price will soon be impossible due to changing economics.. I don't think this airline will go bancrupt because it management isn't stupid.. But how will the EUropean market will emerge after the rationalization, what will the LCC look like in 5-10years time ? How in hell will we have to convince people that 1 EUR isn't the price to pay if you want to travel to Malaga or Berlin.
This is an appeal to all reader common sense.. these prices are crazy, even if you scrape of all the frills and have to stand in the airplane its impossible to fly for these prices. I beleive the future of the EUropean travel is in companies like Aer Lingus, like SNV will be in the future, like Scandanavian and Lufthansa are changing and Vueling is already flying. Re-invented traditional that have a suit for all. Business flex and cost conscious supported bu a large EUR network...

[BMO]

Till today no airline, flying at BRU, paid the penalty's. Also BIAC is still using all the runways while it is forbidden on some days by court.

I see no reason not to come to BRU for some possible penalty's.
In fact, during daytime there is no problem at all, on weekdays.

I know an airline who has received fines for flying over BRU city due to too much noise, its obvious that they do everything do avoid the paiment of this fine.

Cheers

[Atlantis]

Till today no airline, flying at BRU, paid the penalty's. Also BIAC is still using all the runways while it is forbidden on some days by court.

I see no reason not to come to BRU for some possible penalty's.
In fact, during daytime there is no problem at all, on weekdays.

I know an airline who has received fines for flying over BRU city due to too much noise, its obvious that they do everything do avoid the paiment of this fine.

Cheers

I know SEVERAL airlines who received the bill for their noise when they flew over BRU. I had the chance to look how high they are and I can assure you its big, very big.

Good of them to not pay that. My opinion off course.

[airazurxtror]

Excuse me!!! BIAC is given the LCC the same service like all the other airlines.

Exactly what I pointed out.
LCC don't need the same service as the legacy carriers - especially not Taj Mahal like the terminal A at Brussels, costly to build and costly to run.
Marseilles airport, for example, has perfectly got it : the high-cost carriers (like SNBA) use the luxuous terminal, the LCC use an other, normal terminal, and they pay less for it.
When will BRU understand and do the same ?

[Stepha380]

They do not need to sell at 50ct fares to fill their aircraft because they only fly destinations that can support the traffic. FR on the otherhand, and I must admit they are strong at it must develop trade agreements with airports, set up difficult marketing schemes to get funding for their irrational pricing approach.

A tiny percentagel of FR tickets are at 1€. They just don't have the same progression in the price as an legacy carrier. The 1€ price is just marketing and it is completely rationnal and called revenue management. for example
FR from 1€ to 300€
AF from 50€ to 300€
FR doesn't lose money and when they do they close the destination. Sure they receive money from airports and collectivities but every airlines can do that too. I think a lot of people are happy to have a nearer airport in their area.

The airline is forced to increase its fares due to rising fuel prices as well as it is forced to increase revenue through baggage fees, credit card charges, etc..

As all airlines do: there is a topic on credit card fees: KLM, BA, U2
Bagages fees: half of their passengers travelled only with hand-luggage why do they have to pay for bagage handling ??? You pay for what you get.
People are supposed to have read all the conditions before buying their tickets, if you don't like them, stay at home.
BA had planned to ban the second hand-luggage in November.
When you see what you get for food in flight sometimes I would rather pay a chepaer ticket and bring my meal.

As all airlines increase their taxes, FR always stays cheaper.

Next time take a look at airline margins and profit/revenue evolution, because what you wrote is very superficial.

Concerning Southwest, they don't offer the same level of service as FR and they don't operate on the same continent or on the same scale (flight time...) so don't even try to compare them.[/quote]

[Airbus330lover]

As all airlines do: there is a topic on credit card fees: KLM, BA, U2
Bagages fees: half of their passengers travelled only with hand-luggage why do they have to pay for bagage handling ??? You pay for what you get.

See last problems in UK. No hand luggage and after the first day the pax has to pay to put the handluggage in the hold (only FR no U2)

People are supposed to have read all the conditions before buying their tickets, if you don't like them, stay at home.

Same in insurance, warranty, paid parking, each ticket in your life etc.... Do you read everything in you life (I doubt it)

BA had planned to ban the second hand-luggage in November.

Good idea

When you see what you get for food in flight sometimes I would rather pay a chepaer ticket and bring my meal.

Sorry no more food and beverage.

As all airlines increase their taxes, FR always stays cheaper.

Not always

Logically BRU shoud have a LCC terminal, but i'm curious to see the interested airllines.
Forget FR thay are "specials" (No offense!)

[teddybAIR]

.. the stimulation on price will soon be impossible due to changing economics...

I just don't know about that. First of all, as said hereabove, only a very small percentage of tickets are at € 1, and these are more a marketing trick than a consistent pricing policy. Moreover, everybody knows this implicitely: people know that Ryanair fees are generally far above the prices that are communicated, yet special deals are possible.

Secondly, the price advantage (ie. the gap) between prices of Ryanair and traditional airlines is unlikely to be affected by an increase in oil prices. The absolute figures will probably change, but as fuel prices increase for everybody in the industry, this will probably not affect the gap between LCC's and traditional airlines.