Russian Tu 204 passenger jet

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 12 Aug 2006, 17:17

Russia will deliver this jet to Chinese passenger carriers. Does anyone have any pictures of it?

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/20 ... ation.html

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 12 Aug 2006, 21:51

http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=377
All the pics and info you wanted about the Tu-204 series. The exterrior of the 'new' version will not look too different I think.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 13 Aug 2006, 05:25

If I'm not mistaken, the T-204 series is the most technical advance of the Tupolev airliners. This plane received its Russian flying certification in 1994, and it currently builds 6 different varients(it could be more, but last I read it was six) Tu204-100, 120, 204C, T224 and 324. The reason I mention all this useless information is because Russia has several aircraft manufactures that have developed airliners for Russia, yet have not found many customers outside of Russia, why is that?

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 13 Aug 2006, 11:22

because their relative bad reputation (at least for a while in the 90s) in regard to safety (ok, mostly due to lack of maintenance etc in the wake of the collapse of Soviet Union) - the name alone scares of many people (read: customers).

Try to convince your friends, or relatives to fly with a Russian made plane and see for yourself what you are up against...

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 14 Aug 2006, 16:50

TexasGuy wrote:Russia will deliver this jet to Chinese passenger carriers. Does anyone have any pictures of it?

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/20 ... ation.html

They are freighters, not passenger jets, according to the article.

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 Aug 2006, 17:22

TU-204-120 a/c – is TU-204 a/c version, was certified with Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4 engines, has aircraft noise type certificate in accordance with standards of Chapter 3 of Supplement 16 to ICAO, complies with all Eurocontrol and ICAO current requirements. Is currently under certification to JAA. The aircraft has cargo version which is successfully operated in Europe and Egypt.

See their WEBSITE

David747 · Post by **David747** » 15 Aug 2006, 03:00

This freighters are for the domestic Chinese market. I have to say though, the Tu-204 is a sweet bird.

CX · Post by CX » 16 Aug 2006, 12:45

Honestly though, I would be hesitant to fly in anything other than an Airbus or a Boeing nowadays....
But is this plane really cheap or something? Surely this thing is not as efficient as Airbus/Boeing planes...

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 16 Aug 2006, 19:48

I have flown with a late model IPTN CN-235 in Philippines [Asian Spirit], which had a hard time getting its certification properly done...

it was ok.. i had more problems with the B737-200 from Air Philippines that had a left engine failure at take off, after a taxi down and trying to spin the engines separately go up for a re-try without consulting technicians...

David747 · Post by **David747** » 17 Aug 2006, 05:39

CX wrote:Honestly though, I would be hesitant to fly in anything other than an Airbus or a Boeing nowadays....
But is this plane really cheap or something? Surely this thing is not as efficient as Airbus/Boeing planes...

If it ain't Airbus or Boeing, you're not going?

If Russian aerospace companies like Tupolev and Ilyushin, and others(which by the way are supposed to merge into a huge Russian aerospace company) work with western companies aside from the Big Two, in my humble opinion they could give fair competition to Airbus and Boeing. But then again, I was watching a show the other day on the National Geographic Channel, and it was about a Tupolev aircraft crashing with a B757 freighter over the skies of Europe. It seems to me that Russian pilots are more of a safety hazard than Russian airplanes.

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 17 Aug 2006, 05:53

David747 wrote:
CX wrote:Honestly though, I would be hesitant to fly in anything other than an Airbus or a Boeing nowadays....
But is this plane really cheap or something? Surely this thing is not as efficient as Airbus/Boeing planes...
But then again, I was watching a show the other day on the National Geographic Channel, and it was about a Tupolev aircraft crashing with a B757 freighter over the skies of Europe. It seems to me that Russian pilots are more of a safety hazard than Russian airplanes.

I think that was more to do with ATC than the pilots.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 17 Aug 2006, 06:40

Probably both ATC and the Pilot. But it was sad to see though.

tsv · Post by **tsv** » 11 Jan 2007, 13:30

David747 wrote:If I'm not mistaken, the T-204 series is the most technical advance of the Tupolev airliners. This plane received its Russian flying certification in 1994, and it currently builds 6 different varients(it could be more, but last I read it was six) Tu204-100, 120, 204C, T224 and 324. The reason I mention all this useless information is because Russia has several aircraft manufactures that have developed airliners for Russia, yet have not found many customers outside of Russia, why is that?

Many reasons why Russian Airliners are not selling much outside of Russia (or even inside Russia much for that matter). I'll list some of the ones I think are most important.

1. After sales service and availability of parts. Tupolev and Ilyushin are not in the same galaxy as A & B in this regard.

2. Reliability of delivery. The aircraft plants and design bureau's are cash strapped and have numerous management problems. Difficult to forecast when your plane will be delivered.

3. Quality of Product. The IL-96 and TU-204 are fine aircraft and superior to the average jet flying today. They have glass cockpits, fly by wire technology and quiet engines. However the newest Airbus and Boeing Jets are slightly more efficient (lighter) and more technically advanced. Not surprising given they were designed more recently. Although Russian aircraft are much cheaper than the Western aircraft the overall "life cycle costs" favour the western built birds. Passenger comfort is usually better in the westerm a/c.

4. Politics. Western companies prefer to deal with other western companies. Probablly just a "cold war" hangover but an important factor.

5. Passenger perception. There is still a perception Russian a/craft are unsafe. This perception is generally unsupported by crash statistics.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 12 Jan 2007, 10:21

Given the recent 'reliability' of the delivery of Russian gas and oil to the west, one indeed has to wonder about the delivery of their planes and spare parts.

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 12 Jan 2007, 14:34

I agree with the latest post-
if Putin does not control in a satisfactorily manner international contracts linking prime-asset companies in Russia to strategically important clients in Europe,the fate of Russan built aircraft could very soon be sealed.
Interupting gas and oil supplies will immediately trigger fears and moves into alternative technologies.
You must have sh.. in your brains to have a disgruntled Germany as unhappy customer for gas and oil contracts.
Very short-sighted thinking and not a good support for Tupolev or Ilyushin...

Post by **ElcoB** » 12 Jan 2007, 16:41

beaucaire wrote: if Putin does not control in a satisfactorily manner international contracts linking prime-asset companies in Russia to strategically important clients in Europe,the fate of Russan built aircraft could very soon be sealed.
Interupting gas and oil supplies will immediately trigger fears and moves into alternative technologies.
You must have sh.. in your brains to have a disgruntled Germany as unhappy customer for gas and oil contracts.
Very short-sighted thinking and not a good support for Tupolev or Ilyushin...

FYI:
* It wasn't Russia making troubles but transit-country's.

* Those transit-country's refused to pay market-prices for their oil and gas.

* Those transit-country's where syphoning off the pipe-line networks linking to Western-Europe. I call that stealing.

* Western-Europe depends on Russia for energy since more than 15 years. Russia is alway's been a reliable partner. We need the energy, they need the money to put it simple.

* Propaganda: "Russians are the bad guys because they wont give us oil and gas for free.!"

* Ties between Russian and Western(US and Europe) aviation industry become closer and closer. Both Airbus and Boeing are producing in Russia and Joint-ventures are set up, f.i. for the Beriev-200, Antonov-148 and Sukhoi Superjet 100.

* Titanium production and machining : without Russia, Boeing would be in big big troubles for their Dreamliner. Even for USA Russian contracts are good and reliable not only for spare-parts but for essential construction-parts.

* When we look to the ISS (International Space Station): both the US(NASA) and Europe(ESA) have very recently signed huge contracts with the Russians for' (Energia)-rockets and Soyoez-shuttles because Europe hasn't the technolgy yet and the USA is paralysed by a corrupt and war-mongering government.

boomer535 · Post by **boomer535** » 13 Jan 2007, 01:52

I have flown on three kinds of Russian planes in the past. An Il62 from Miami to Moscow with a stop in Shannon, an Il86 (I think) from Ekaterinburg to Moscow, and quite a few TU154's. I like the TU154 the most, its like a 727. The IL62 was small and noisy. The IL86 was huge and comfortable. I like Russian planes and wish the companies who make them well.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 15 Jan 2007, 15:53

ElcoB wrote:
beaucaire wrote: if Putin does not control in a satisfactorily manner international contracts linking prime-asset companies in Russia to strategically important clients in Europe,the fate of Russan built aircraft could very soon be sealed.
Interupting gas and oil supplies will immediately trigger fears and moves into alternative technologies.
You must have sh.. in your brains to have a disgruntled Germany as unhappy customer for gas and oil contracts.
Very short-sighted thinking and not a good support for Tupolev or Ilyushin...
FYI:
* It wasn't Russia making troubles but transit-country's.

* Those transit-country's refused to pay market-prices for their oil and gas.

* Those transit-country's where syphoning off the pipe-line networks linking to Western-Europe. I call that stealing.

* Western-Europe depends on Russia for energy since more than 15 years. Russia is alway's been a reliable partner. We need the energy, they need the money to put it simple.

* Propaganda: "Russians are the bad guys because they wont give us oil and gas for free.!"

Yes, the trouble was with Ukraine and Belarus, but the point is that the Russians employed rather blunt methods to solve these troubles, and it affected other customers. Their first priority should have been ensuring steady supplies to those customers who ARE willing to pay the full price. Russia showed that it is more interested in asserting it's political power than in keeping it's customers satisfied.

All that being said, a certain aircraft manufacturer whose name starts with an A recently showed that you don't need to go to Russia to have delivery issues.

tsv · Post by **tsv** » 20 Jan 2007, 05:00

TexasGuy wrote:Russia will deliver this jet to Chinese passenger carriers. Does anyone have any pictures of it?

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/20 ... ation.html

Photo is here on Tupolev's website.

http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Picture.asp?PubID=3440

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 22 Jan 2007, 08:28

I do not like that livery.

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