Airbus to send one thousand German staff to France

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 30 Jul 2006, 22:18

In an effort to catch up on lost production Airbus is to send
one thousand German employees to France to aid in final
assembly.

http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/fe ... 13910.html

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 01 Aug 2006, 04:09

For me it is not clear whether these engineers are going over to
1) help the French engineers/operators
2) fix German induced problems
3) get trained by the French

May be someone has the answer..

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 01 Aug 2006, 05:30

Well! sending a "thousand" employees from Germany to France is no small undertaking, the costs to be incurred will be horrendous, and depending on how long they remain there, may turn in to a nightmare.

Separating employees from their families along with the costs of accommodation and transportation is surly going to put a big damper on employee relations.

Judging from the reports they have their work cut out for them, I would assume they have sent a mixture of engineers, assemblers, production coordinators, etc etc etc.

And all this taking place when people are on holidays! not fun!

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 01 Aug 2006, 09:04

This article describes that each country is responsible for the sections it produces-and that exchanges or dispatches of work-forces within the factories are common.The dispatch of 1000 people is nevertheless exceptional.Germany produces two large center-sections and hence the Hamburg-staff will work on those sections.

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2006/07/31/592200.html

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 01 Aug 2006, 13:01

Could this be an initiative to speed up the R&D process on new aircraft? I mean: 1000 engineers! Some of them must be for the R&D department, don't you think?

Gate-A1 · Post by **Gate-A1** » 01 Aug 2006, 15:10

Airbus has Corporate shuttle flight betweet the french and German locations for their enginer and specialised stafs. This is not exeptionnal this is a day to day opperation. Theses flight are opperated by two Privatair A319.

It seems a huge number 1000 enginers. Is there other source who confirm this information?

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 01 Aug 2006, 15:20

Perhaps they should now use two A380s to shuttle them back and forth.

lastrow · Post by **lastrow** » 01 Aug 2006, 15:29

this thread is another sad example of how rumors are transformed into suggestions. The articles says that "insiders guess a number of 1000". 1000 engineers is not officially confirmed. Read on:

1. forbes-online article says "estimation"

2. spiegel-online says "insiders guess" (http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,429172,00.html)

3. cited article by forbes and hamburger article is the "Welt am Sonntag" (find the article here: http://www.wams.de/data/2006/07/30/978953.html), says "insider guess"

some of you still show their attitude of making every Airbus news something like the beginning of the end for the company. For me this means that some "aviation expert", maybe a friend by telephone, has said to the journalist "could be that 1000 engineers will need to visit Toulouse in future" to speed up the assembly. so what?

do some people really think that 1000 engineers get relocated for the next year and move into apartments in Toulouse?

and ... from so many newspapers in Germany "Welt am Sonntag" is truely not the forum of journalism with high-reputation. And it is certainly not well-known for reports about the aviation industry.

I think some writers in this forum should be more careful with "insider guesses": after two threads of discussion about "another hit" because of the tail-enforcement issue from March this year we have another example of lacking preciseness with the interpretation of news. It seems like the Airbus-bashing goes on in l.be

-lr.

Zenfookpower · Post by **Zenfookpower** » 01 Aug 2006, 16:38

It seems every time something is written about Airbus, one cannot post anything, no question, no comment, NO nothing.. because
1) the thread will become another example of rumors
2) the posters are not the experts
3) the quoted newspapers or articles are written by bias people
etc..

Where then can we get the real story..Is this not what a forum is all about..
Why each times these "lectures" from the Airbus crowd..

I for one don't care whether B or A is the best...B&A need each other for a healthy competition..as long as they build SAFE and reliable planes..
8)

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 01 Aug 2006, 20:23

You know you really all should get a life! I'm so sick and tired of people going off the deep end when something is posted in forums that may remotely suggest something negative about Airbus, this is an article in a paper, if the paper is wrong then send your damn complaints to the paper, not here!

Its a piece of news, nothing else! And I failed to see anything in the article that was negative, more of a positive note was the fact that Airbus has taken some serious steps to fulfill their delivery promises.

David747 · Post by **David747** » 01 Aug 2006, 23:48

I feel the love in this post.... Anyway, so what if Airbus is sending German workers to France or the other way round, this is a non story, unless of course, the Germans going to France is of a sinister purpose like.....reconquest of France.......... Nevermind that comment.

lastrow · Post by **lastrow** » 02 Aug 2006, 18:46

Zenfookpower wrote:Where then can we get the real story..Is this not what a forum is all about..
Why each times these "lectures" from the Airbus crowd..

I for one don't care whether B or A is the best...B&A need each other for a healthy competition..as long as they build SAFE and reliable planes..
8)

sure, that's the good thing about the competition in this domain. But let me explain the issue with such threads by giving an example: Let's take threads about aircraft accidents: Then, articles are cited or links are given with something like

"all 156 passengers have left the plane without any injuries"

then, you can see postings were people complaining that aircraft model xy which the airline usually deploys on the referring route does not allow 156 passengers. or someone knows that usually the load factor on these routes is at 60% and thus there must have been only 95 pax etc etc etc. with many news, the numbers are put into question in the forums and people discuss about it. And that is a good thing, because it helps to get a bit closer to what is really going on. I like this very much and that is mainly the reason for me to participate in discussion forums.

in this case we have a newspaper from Germany saying that an "insider guesses that Airbus would send 1000 engineers" to France.

and, well, read yourself: "In an effort to catch up on lost production Airbus is to send one thousand German employees to France"

judge yourself, for me its clear.

-lr.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 03 Aug 2006, 09:10

My first though on this topic was "they're sending in Germans because those lazy French don't get any work done".

If they actually fly them in each day, is the trip calculated into their work time, or do they still have to work their X hours in France, thus losing quite a bit of time?

Ruscoe · Post by **Ruscoe** » 06 Aug 2006, 10:17

As an interesting aside, Boeing are redeploying 300 of their engineers to takle weight and in service date problems with the 787.

Ruscoe

Sikiri · Post by **Sikiri** » 06 Aug 2006, 12:33

I visited the A380 production line in Toulouse one week ago, and there were already several people from Airbus Spain and Airbus Germany working there. They were there to install small changes that are normally done in de factories in Germany/Spain. But since these design changes were made after the production of these parts, they are done in Toulouse. But that were not 1000 engineers, they would never fit in the A-380 production line building.