Eos, Maxjet & Privatair

[chornedsnorkack]

How well are those three selling?

Eos and Maxjet are both operating the London-New York ferry, with a single daily flight having no economy seats... Maxjet has 102 seats to fill (2 more than the 100 seats of Concorde), Eos has 48. Privatair operates other pond crossings with around 50 seats.

But unlike Concorde, Eos and Maxjet start from Stansted rather than Heathrow...

How come people prefer flying specialized all-premium planes to front ends of multiclass planes? Even if there is no supersonic flight involved?

[Buzz]

More & better service for less €€€...

You can't include Privatair, since it operates planes for other carriers only (KLM, Swiss, LH). Eos & MaxJet are stand alone carriers.

[SN30952]

How come people prefer flying specialized all-premium planes to front ends of multiclass planes? Even if there is no supersonic flight involved?

Some people wear Rolex, I look for the time to right hand bottom corner of my screen....
1 Is it a matter of egoes? They do not want to mix with you and I!
2 These airports have a smoother check in service.
3 Money is not a matter (for them - it is not coming from their pockets)
4 The name Privatair says it, it's more private.
(Hoff should have known!)


btw Concord was 100 or 99 seats?

[chornedsnorkack]

btw Concord was 100 or 99 seats?

I think 100. 25 rows, 4 seats in each of them.

[Stepha380]

Eos and Maxjet are both operating the London-New York ferry, with a single daily flight having no economy seats...

You can't compare those two.

EOS operates 757 with lie-flat seats and nearly two square meter of private area per passenger.
First-class service with the price of business class on network carriers.

Maxjet operates 767, seats have a high recline angle.
Business class service with the price of premium economy.

The biggest difference between those two and the network carriers is the lack of frequency which is often an unbeatable advantage of network carriers as is the distance airport-downtown. Stansted is much farther than Heathrow from Canary Wharf.

It seems EOS is doing pretty well and that it is a bit harder for Maxjet as they are doing a lot of sale.

I wrote an article in french available here some time ago, there are links to pictures, seats and a video about Maxjet at the end. Just copy and past this link in your browser (doesn't work if you just click on it)
http://stepha380.spaces.msn.com/blog/cn ... 1202.entry

[chornedsnorkack]

Eos and Maxjet are both operating the London-New York ferry, with a single daily flight having no economy seats...

You can't compare those two.

EOS operates 757 with lie-flat seats and nearly two square meter of private area per passenger.
First-class service with the price of business class on network carriers.

Maxjet operates 767, seats have a high recline angle.
Business class service with the price of premium economy.

The biggest difference between those two and the network carriers is the lack of frequency which is often an unbeatable advantage of network carriers as is the distance airport-downtown. Stansted is much farther than Heathrow from Canary Wharf.

How come EOS and Maxjet can afford their service (first class and business respectively) so much cheaper than the network carriers need to offer the same service in front end of multiclass planes?

[SN30952]

btw Concord was 100 or 99 seats?

I think 100. 25 rows, 4 seats in each of them.

Seats 100 (2 x either side of the aisle) btw do you find this a nice cabin?

Air France did not seem to count the pasengers, not even in Evacuation Passagers
Air France carried a yearly average of 56500 voyageurs on Concorde.
So there is a market for this kind of luxury travel.
The cabin was 2,63 m wide, 39.32 m long, the seat pitch 94 cm.
Concorde needed 20 tons fuel per hour. A B747. 11.25 tons, an A300-200, 6 tons. Here is the answer to the cost.

[Stepha380]

How come EOS and Maxjet can afford their service (first class and business respectively) so much cheaper than the network carriers need to offer the same service in front end of multiclass planes?

There are only four carriers authorized to operate from LHR to JFK ( Bermuda II agreement) so that the price depends heavily on the number of seats available. These airlines are Virgin Atlantic, British Airways, American Airlines and United Airlines.

EOS and Maxjet only operates point to point flights with a single-type fleet, the planes are not really recent but have a brand new cabin (12 years old for EOS, 21 for Maxjet), the same system used by Easyjet when they began with 737-300. They also sub-contract ground handling and maintenance to reduce the fixed costs.

[earthman]

Reminds me of the E170, really..

[chornedsnorkack]

There are only four carriers authorized to operate from LHR to JFK ( Bermuda II agreement) so that the price depends heavily on the number of seats available. These airlines are Virgin Atlantic, British Airways, American Airlines and Continental Airlines.

Does Bermuda II restrict just the number of carriers LHR-JFK (2 US, 2 UK airlines and any number of 5th freedom third country carriers), or does it also limit the number of flights, or seats?

Also, Gatwick acts as the second London airport... why don´t a lot of network carriers fly LGW-JFK already?

[Stepha380]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_II

I know that Continental flies EWR-LGW
5th freedom carriers are Air India and Kuwait airways.

[FedEx]

MaxJet must be doing quite well, they now fly 3 aircraft from STN to JFK and to washington as well

Eos average load factors for june were 72% and they are starting a second daily flight between STN & JFK in September



FedEx

[Stepha380]

MaxJet must be doing quite well, they now fly 3 aircraft from STN to JFK and to washington as well

Eos average load factors for june were 72% and they are starting a second daily flight between STN & JFK in September

DO you have an idea of the average ticket price ???

Maxjet had also 72% of load factor in June, they will get their fourth 767 this year and will add a third U.S city to their network. Chicago ???

[Captain]

MaxJet seem to be doing quite well and have a strong advertising campaign to reinforce their message and get people familiar with their brand. The adverts are well positioned in press read by businessmen, london black cabs, and tube stations in central london.

Several people mention Stansted isn't very well located compared to Heathrow. Well, most businessmen who fly to London will go to their meetings/office in the City (financial district) which is served by Liverpool Street station, 45 min to Stansted. Those in the other main business area: Canary Wharf, can also quickly make it to Liverpool street by public transport.
Try getting to Heathrow after a meeting onto New York from the City or Canary Wharf and you'll be in a cab for a long time or will have to take the tube to Paddington, (2 changes) and onto the Heathrow Express.

Stansted security process MaxJet passengers differently than the Low-fare customers so your businessman can quickly get from his meeting onto the plane in a quick and relaxes manner than LHR.

MaxJet's price is very competitive at £850 return. I paid the same price with BA on Premium Economy to JFK which was great but next time I may well try MaxJet for their Business Class service and comfort at premium economy prices.

[SN30952]

MAXjet Boeing 767-200

Eos Airlines Boeing 757-200

On paper, MAXjet seems great. Well, I'm now convinced MAXjet isn't so great (the MAXjet team was very surprised to read Tricia’s recent article about her MAXjet flight from Stansted to Washington Dulles on 14 July)

[Stepha380]

On paper, MAXjet seems great. Well, I'm now convinced MAXjet isn't so great (the MAXjet team was very surprised to read Tricia’s recent article about her MAXjet flight from Stansted to Washington Dulles on 14 July)

She is everything but professionnal:
No objectivity: she always employs "I", personnal call to the CEO, personnal trip report, not sure it is her money. No indication of the on-time statistics... This article should be on www.airlinequality.com not on TImes Travel.

MAXjet, reliant on a single plane, will not encourage me to fly MAXjet again
It seems she is somebody that give up quickly. Even BA has not always a spare aircraft (when used by PM or chartered). Moreover, when you change the original metal from another flight, there are more people delayed.
I think every frequent traveller has had bad experience with every airline.
A large majority of corporate travellers don't choose their airline, there are agreements between the company and the airline.

People travelling with Easyjet, EOS, Maxjet, Ryanair... in order to take a connecting flight are idiots

[Stepha380]

I have read in "Aviation Week" that Eos has reached the break even point in june and that they lost $36.5 million during the start-up period (November-May).

Not too bad for a start considering that they began from scratch (I mean no popularity) and they operate from STN.

Best wishes EOS.

[Stepha380]

New route for Maxjet STN-LAS twice from November 2nd
Fares begin at $1999

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060829/20060829005078.html?.v=1

[teddybAIR]

According to wikipedia, Maxjet operates 3 B762's and is to acquire 2 more...