Will Boston be the first SN operated US flight ?

flyexel · Post by **flyexel** » 20 Jul 2006, 10:39

Hey all,

Rumours are telling that Boston will be the first of three destinations that SN will fly in the US.
They are currently in talks with boeing to find 6 767-300ER for the price of 4 A330.

Somebody with more info?

Greetz

Old Nickname - VG · Post by **Old Nickname - VG** » 20 Jul 2006, 12:23

flyexel wrote: They are currently in talks with boeing to find 6 767-300ER for the price of 4 A330.

brand new aircrafts
leasing
codesharing

what do you mean?

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 20 Jul 2006, 12:33

Where do the rumours come from? source? date?

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:10

6 767? Together with the 3 A330s or to replace them? Seems like a nice long-haul fleet though.

Boeing747-nurse · Post by **Boeing747-nurse** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:37

What will be the other 2 destinations in the US?

JFK ( evening flight )? and... Miami? Dallas? ....

I hope it won't take long before we hear soemthing about it, officially!

G.

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:40

flyexel wrote:Boston will be the first of three destinations that SN will fly in the US.

What are the other 2 US-destinations... and when will they start to serve these cities. I heared about this rumour already for almost a year now. Who knows for how many years to come, it will still be just a rumour....

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:43

Ooops, I was thinking about the same thing as B747-nurse I see, only I am very slow today. Sorry

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 20 Jul 2006, 13:53

And 6 b767s to replace 4 A-330's? Are they nuts? They'll easily find takers for the A330's but the 767's? Not a great plan unless they are going to find some 300's with nice interiors as most that I have been in are pretty old and tatty.

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 20 Jul 2006, 14:23

The 767's become less competitive in terms of comfort and economy.
I see the need for SN to grow on long-haul flights on own metal - but 767 are not the best metal around .I could understand 777 or 330's .
BRU to JFK and BOS would easily fill a 777 each day ,provided they expand somewhat their feeder-network.

flyexel · Post by **flyexel** » 20 Jul 2006, 16:49

These rumours come from inside SN.

767's are much cheaper in leasing prices than 330's
767's have less capacity,that's what has been announced 31st of march

Last year SN wanted a 4th 330, they had to pay the same price they currently pay for 3 330's !!!!

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 20 Jul 2006, 16:55

That what happens when you exclusevely lease aircraft instead of owning them...

brieky · Post by **brieky** » 20 Jul 2006, 18:02

it would be nice!!
This will be a great step forward for SN

Hope the rumours come true, and maybe we can expect more wide-bodies for SN.
I personally think 2 new B777-200 and the 3 A333 will be an verry good fleet. with the b777 they can bring more capacity to the populairest african destinations + flights to the US.

greetz, Brieky

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 20 Jul 2006, 18:05

brieky wrote:it would be nice!!
This will be a great step forward for SN

Hope the rumours come true, and maybe we can expect more wide-bodies for SN.
I personally think 2 new B777-200 and the 3 A333 will be an verry good fleet. with the b777 they can bring more capacity to the populairest african destinations + flights to the US.

greetz, Brieky

Don't go off-topic, we were talking about the 767's, NOT 777's

Telspace · Post by **Telspace** » 20 Jul 2006, 18:21

Well if SNBA is looking for airplanes, there are some available around here...

One Varig MD11 (broken) in Brasilia
Three B767 from Transbrasil in Brasilia (stuck there for the last 5 years)
One Varig MD11 in Sao Paulo
One A300 from Vasp also in Sao Paulo, (stuck there for the last 5 years)
and there should be some big planes available also in Rio de Janeiro from Varig.

u see...

Cartman · Post by **Cartman** » 20 Jul 2006, 19:33

Telspace wrote:Well if SNBA is looking for airplanes, there are some available around here...

One Varig MD11 (broken) in Brasilia
Three B767 from Transbrasil in Brasilia (stuck there for the last 5 years)
One Varig MD11 in Sao Paulo
One A300 from Vasp also in Sao Paulo, (stuck there for the last 5 years)
and there should be some big planes available also in Rio de Janeiro from Varig.

u see...

One of the last Brazilian birds that was taken over by a Belgian company didn't seem to be a good buy. FYI: it was re-registrated to OO-TUC...

brieky · Post by **brieky** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:11

Blackhawk:

I said:

" I personally think "
I know they are talking about B767 but i said " I personally think B777 would be nice...

greetz

Brieky

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 20 Jul 2006, 20:22

Before starting rumours like having B777 or MD11 etc, etc we know that they having talks with Airbus and Boeing to add two or three long hauls to double that fleet.

I expect in September or October that they will announce what plans they have. What kind of destinations they want to fly to in the USA and what kind of airplanes they want to use for.

I can't understand why they have to refurbish the three current A330's and spending millions of euro's and then replace them with old B763 with higher maintenance costs, less capacity and learn your pilots to fly with Boeing's. Don't forget that most of the Africa flights are overbooked. I know one example with 80 overbookings for one flight. You can't do that with B763.

Also an issue, BIAC wants a strong home player. They don't one to have it when you are going to reduce capacity. Transporting 300.000 pax, SNBA, in May is not that much, so they have to grow in numbers of long haul and aircrafts.

Post by **sn26567** » 21 Jul 2006, 09:14

African flights also generate a lot of cargo revenue. There is not enough cargo room on a 767 to replace a 333.

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 21 Jul 2006, 10:49

I can't understand why they have to refurbish the three current A330's and spending millions of euro's and then replace them with old B763 with higher maintenance costs, less capacity and learn your pilots to fly with Boeing's. Don't forget that most of the Africa flights are overbooked. I know one example with 80 overbookings for one flight. You can't do that with B763.

I tought they where just adding 767s, not using them to replace A333s. If they really needed 767s to replace A333s, then I would certainly reccomend the 764. But I think route to America are a good idea. SN has a high rating with the passengers. Everyone is complaining about the US carriers. So why no adding 763 or new 764 to perform those opperations?
But I have my doubts about the whole story tough. I remember them saying that the fleet will remain the same untill 2010. And that is after the merger, too.

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 21 Jul 2006, 11:12

One of my beefs with the US cariers is that they use the 767! Unless you get an exit seat it is not my favourite aircraft by any stretch. Yes, even the 764 of Continental, who as I keep saying are quite possibly the most over-rated carrier I have ever been on. I mean my expectations on AA and NWA were low anyway so the average fligths i had with them seemed quite good.

I remember going from LGW - Newark - Minneapolis return in '92 (b747, b727) on the previous incarnation of Continental and the service was way better than now. Maybe thats why the went bankrupt!

If I was SN I would try and get more 330's. Get some 200's for the Atlantic routes and keep the bigger ones solely for Africa. When i was in Luanda last month I spoke to an American chap who came down on SN - said it was the best flight he had in years. Then again he is United Platinum so I guess the benchmark ain't great!

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