Beirut airport closed-all runways destroyed by IDF...

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 19 Jul 2006, 10:15

jan_olieslagers wrote:
SN30952 wrote: OW-fare MUC-EBB in DMK in the pre-Euro era.
But where the heck is DMK?

In the Bundesbank: DMK is Deutsche Mark-code.
Indeed in the pre-Euro era..... FMK? FFR, LFR, BEF, but still UKL, USD?

btw TASS (russian news agency) is wondering why "According to preliminary information, a chocolate factory and trucks’ parking lot were the target of the attack in Shoueifat overnight."
Yes, why bombing an empty parking? An a chocolate factory? Poor Willy Wonka...

How do I come to talk about that? Remember Roald Dahl?
One of the most controversial moments in his career came in 1983 when he was asked to review a book entitled "God Cried." The book focused on the controversial Israeli invasion of Lebanon at the time. In the review Dahl claimed that once Israel invaded Lebanon, "we all started hating Jews." He made several other inflammatory statements around that time regarding Jewish people, which caused a serious backlash in the United States in particular. Booksellers stopped selling his books. American Jewish readers often returned his books to his publisher with letters protesting Dahl's comments. Dahl later defended his position by saying he was not anti-Semitic but anti-Israel because of the situation in Lebanon.

But the strange and odd thing, I think I know*, is that chcolate business in Lebanon is owned by Christians.
Chocolate lovers know DeBas Chocolatier. Guy DeBas, was the founder, his father George, a well known Greek Orthodox Lebanese found himself nominated to become president of Lebanon in 1976. .... But DeBas moved quite a while ago to ... California.

Chocolate lovers may know "Chantilly Chocolatiers"? What about Chemaly, they are more North in Jounieh - Christian area., or Merico, or Pogati, or Pralino or Ethel ?

Many use excellent Belgian Callebaut...
* I was then appointed country manager for SN in Lebanon, and ...chocolate lover...! The Sabena office was moved to Jounieh, to operate off-line following the first invasion.
Note:
And God Cried—is based on Jeremiah 14:17 where God speaks of shedding "tears day and night" for the "daughter of my people", the generation of Jews living in Jeremiah's day were the "daughter" or descendants of God's people, Israel who came out of Egypt.

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 19 Jul 2006, 11:08

Airbus330lover wrote:about the runway:estimating time to repair?

Provided one has the right equipment, it is am matter of hours or days, as long as the Israeli attackers did not plant any mines. This would be a quick repair which would not last forever, but would do to get one RWY operating until the others are done. The problem is, with just a bunch of missiles the repairs are useless within seconds.

A full repair would take some days per crater, so no real big deal, just a big risk...

And concerning the political part: Most of us simly have no glue who is right or wrong, since we do not have any real and reliable information. Furthermore, I think especiall yin this conflict there is no good or bad, no right or wrong. As with most conflicts, both sides have their reasons - some may be considered valid by us, some may not. In the end, the attacks against civilains and civilian targets does not make anything better and that is whyt counts. Killing infrastructure like the airport will only weaken the economy which will reduce the number of available jobs which will lead more people to join the radicals - on both sides.

Regards, Bernhard

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 19 Jul 2006, 11:45

Jouneih is a cool place - was the teleferique there at the tim eof the first invasion? Wierd cable car.....

All I am saying is the reaction of the Western world to this conflict has been an absolute disgrace and I am frankly embarrassed to hold a UK passport at this time. Pathetic.

jan_olieslagers · Post by **jan_olieslagers** » 19 Jul 2006, 12:21

SN30952 wrote:In the Bundesbank: DMK is Deutsche Mark-code.

You cludge! Go and find someone else to fool! The Deutschmark was coded "DEM". If you really must use codes and abbreviations, at least use them correctly!!!

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 19 Jul 2006, 12:34

chunk wrote:Jouneih is a cool place - was the teleferique there at the tim e of the first invasion? Wierd cable car.....

It looked not new...

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 19 Jul 2006, 13:53

Really - christ you should have seen it last year when i went on it then! They apparently call it the terroriferique now.....good views though!

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 21 Jul 2006, 11:08

: American silence over Lebanon speaks volumes

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Jul 2006, 12:08

SN30952 wrote: : American silence over Lebanon speaks volumes

The webmaster has asked to stay with the runway story

and to post political statements (like this one) on other forums.

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 21 Jul 2006, 12:12

You could of course argue quite easily that the blowing up of runways on a civilian airport is an aviation story and should be talked about.

But then we wouldn't want to upset the supporters of the action would we....seems this board is no better then the EC or the UN when it comes to objectivity.

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Jul 2006, 12:59

chunk wrote:You could of course argue quite easily that the blowing up of runways on a civilian airport is an aviation story and should be talked about. But then we wouldn't want to upset the supporters of the action would we....seems this board is no better then the EC or the UN when it comes to objectivity.

You really don't get the message: this is an aviation forum, not a political one. The bombing was a military action: the IDF wanted to make it impossible for Hezbollah to launch missiles to Israel from the air.

The bombings of the runway and Beirut are IDF-acts.To agree or disagree with these bombings has nothing to do with aviation, therefore is political (world politics) and that should be done on other forums.

This is not a pro-Israel statement. This is a request to post pro-Israel and anti-Israel statements elsewhere.

"Civilian airport": Brussels/Zaventem is also a civilian airport, but the same runways are used for Brussels/Melsbroek, a military airport. Same applies for Beirut, I guess.

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Talking about human rights: Amnesty International last week revealed that people are still tortured in Algeria:
http://web.amnesty.org/pages/stoptortur ... atures-eng

Why don't I hear any protest against the Air Algiers flights to/from Brussels?

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 21 Jul 2006, 13:24

LX-LGX wrote:The bombings of the runway and Beirut are IDF-acts.To agree or disagree with these bombings has nothing to do with aviation, therefore is political (world politics) and that should be done on other forums.

The bombing was a military action: the IDF wanted to make it impossible for Hezbollah to launch missiles to Israel from the air.

This is not a pro-Israel statement.

We know what side you're on LX, that does not give you the right of shouting at us.
But explaining why the bombing happened is a political statement.
And we know you have the only truth.

And who does not agree with you, you bomb out of .. the forum? Your political views only prevail? Or do you want to do it in jan-olieslagers-style? Don't give me a joske, please!

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 21 Jul 2006, 13:32

Civilian airport": Brussels/Zaventem is also a civilian airport, but the same runways are used for Brussels/Melsbroek, a military airport. Same applies for Beirut, I guess

And guess what - it hasn;t been blown apart either hence we don't talk about it. What a terrible analogy. I suspect you would be quite happy to talk about Brussels airports runway being blown to hell if it had actually happened right?

Talking about human rights: Amnesty International last week revealed that people are still tortured in Algeria:

Yep we probably should but guess what - it is not in the public eye and has not involved one state attacking anothers infrastructure including aviation. That is a major difference. Who is off topic now then?

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Jul 2006, 16:40

I'm not interested in politics, and I'm therefore not so well informed as you are. I only notice you're using (abusing) this forum with political statements. Making a remark against that does not put me in the other camp.

Back to aviation: Hamas, Fatah, Al Quada, Bin Laden, Hezbollah. For me, they're all the same: terrorists who have proven on 9th Sept 2001 what they think about us.

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 21 Jul 2006, 16:56

Back to aviation: Hamas, Fatah, Al Quada, Bin Laden, Hezbollah. For me, they're all the same: terrorists who have proven on 9th Sept 2001 what they think about us.

Lucky that wasn't a political statement then. Yes that was sarcasm. That said, finally something sensible. Who on here is supporting them above? No-one I have read.

What others and myself have said though is a recognised state should not be blowing up another states airport. If you can justify that in your own mind good luck to you.

Where exactly does Hezbollah International Airlines fly to? And their fighter jets are...? Oh wait.....now let me see....what else could they get up to there? Arms imports? Why bother when they have the massive Syrian border? Besides they weren't in control of the airport. It is fairly clear what they were in control of and where. There - still about aviation.

With every post you criticise political postings and then make them yourself! Glass houses and stones spring to mind.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 21 Jul 2006, 17:54

Can we wrap this up now, chunk?
This is bringing us nowhere... The problem is well, that we cannot ignore the facts. But we can show we can exercise restraint and hope innocent Lebanon will recover asap. I'll will be looking for lebanese chocolats, if more people do so, at least some industry might survive.

Let gets get technical, aviation and aeronatical technics that is....
Why some airlines would not offer a lebanese chocolate on board?

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 21 Jul 2006, 18:00

chunk wrote:With every post you criticise political postings and then make them yourself! Glass houses and stones spring to mind.

Repeat: the fact that I'm protesting against your political statements against Israel doens't put me in the pro-Israel camp. If you would post statements against the governement New Zealand, I would do the same. There's no need for me to protest against pro-Israel statements, because there are none here.

It is not a political statement to say go to hell with everybody sympathising with the 9/11 terrorists as those were aviation attacks.

What's now happening in the Middle East, has nothing to with aviation and should therefore be posted on another site. The only aviation related incident there was the bombing of Beirut runway, so stay with that fact please.

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 21 Jul 2006, 20:53

chunk wrote:Where exactly does Hezbollah International Airlines fly to? And their fighter jets are...? Oh wait.....now let me see....what else could they get up to there? Arms imports? Why bother when they have the massive Syrian border? Besides they weren't in control of the airport. It is fairly clear what they were in control of and where.

Once the roads to Syria had been cut and the coast blockaded, it is clear that Beyrouth airport was the only way for the Hezbollah to get arms reinforcement. Who could have prevented them from taking delivery of a plane load of rockets ?
From a military point of view, putting Beyrouth airport out of use was logical.
( This is just my explanation of the bombing of BEY - not my political opinion about that war ).

Post by **sn26567** » 23 Jul 2006, 09:25

Too many posts of out topic. Too many political statements. Topic closed.

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