Boeing raised it's 20-year forecast from 25.700 to 27.200 needed aircraft. The two main reasons are the following:
- booming asian markets
- accelerated retirement of less-fuel efficient aircraft due to high oil-prices
Source: The Seattle Times
Regards,
Tom
27.200 new passenger jets needed in next 20 years
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Re: 27.200 new passenger jets needed in next 20 years
that is assuming no terrorist attacks or other factors that will hamper travel in the next 20 years.. but 27200?? that's a huge number!teddybAIR wrote:Boeing raised it's 20-year forecast from 25.700 to 27.200 needed aircraft. The two main reasons are the following:
- booming asian markets
- accelerated retirement of less-fuel efficient aircraft due to high oil-prices
Source: The Seattle Times
Regards,
Tom
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AlexanderM
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Well, there is a theory that there is a LOT more oil than people think. Of course, this theory says the oil is not a fossil fuel, but it was there when the planet was created.
At any rate, the theory accurately predicted that they would find oil if they drilled deep in Sweden, and they apparently did find oil. Makes me wonder..
Of course, the people making lots of money finding oil for oil companies will be the last ones to say that you can find it everywhere if you just drill deep enough.
Haven't heard anything about this recently though, so it might just be nonsense.
At any rate, the theory accurately predicted that they would find oil if they drilled deep in Sweden, and they apparently did find oil. Makes me wonder..
Of course, the people making lots of money finding oil for oil companies will be the last ones to say that you can find it everywhere if you just drill deep enough.
Haven't heard anything about this recently though, so it might just be nonsense.
That is in an ideal world where oil concerns wouldn't be sponsoring presidential elections and be actively lobbying with car manufacturers and politicians. You'd be suprised of the amount of fraud/bribery committed in this fieldCX wrote:50 years? If that is so we should be spending all money into researching how to power jet engines without using oil..AlexanderM wrote:500 years? I thought there's only enough for the next 50 years, so we should worryCX wrote:Nah, there is oil for another 500 years... dont' worry...
Ah yes, but only for the rich.....CX wrote:Nah, there is oil for another 500 years... dont' worry...
Oil prices have basically increased in a straight line from $25/barrel to $75/barrel since Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' stunt. Until then, you could argue that they had remained in their general flat trend, with a dip after the 98 Asian crisis, and upwards bumps during the dotcom boom or the run up to the Iraqi War. In May 2003, at 25$/barrel, oil prices were not news (other than, possibly, to underline the "accomplished" thingy). Since then, they have gone up relentlessly.
Yep, and frankly, I don't expect the trend to be reversed in the near future, on the contrary: as there is not much elasticity on the production side and all available facilities are working at the edge of their limits, one can expect the oil prices to further increase at the current pace. Certainly if you take into account the booming asian market.
In the light of this, I am glad to announce (although a little
fftopic: ) that the esso refinery located in Antwerp, Belgium decided to build a biological central (warmtekrachtkoppelingsinstallatie) that produces the equivalent of the annual consumption of 300.000 families 
The produced energy will mainly be used for their own activities. The remaining power will probably be distributed over the net (ie sold to Electrabel)
The avoided annual exhaust equals that of no less than 90.000 cars!!!
In the light of this, I am glad to announce (although a little
fftopic: ) that the esso refinery located in Antwerp, Belgium decided to build a biological central (warmtekrachtkoppelingsinstallatie) that produces the equivalent of the annual consumption of 300.000 families The produced energy will mainly be used for their own activities. The remaining power will probably be distributed over the net (ie sold to Electrabel) The avoided annual exhaust equals that of no less than 90.000 cars!!!
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AlexanderM
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Even if there would be enough oil for the next 500 years or more, we still should focus on alternative and environment friendly ways to power aircraft engines. We have to think of the greenhouse effect tooCX wrote:50 years? If that is so we should be spending all money into researching how to power jet engines without using oil..
You bet we have to worry about that! The other day I saw a remarkable documentary on national geographics on how the Bush administration consistently prevents scientific reports on the effect of the american industry on the environment to be published. The vast majority of the researchers is been made very clear that their reports cannot be published and that doing so will have serious consequences. Even if published, the reports are often edited by people not involved in the research (you know what I mean)
Off course, not only the American industry has a negative effect on our environment, everybody has responsability in that. But it is just a remarkable example (probably one of many) on how governements ever since they existed (whether it is the governement, the church, a dictator, or anyone else) manipulate people by 'keeping them stupid on certain matters'
I hope we're all smarter than that and able to read between the lines when a report is eventually published
Off course, not only the American industry has a negative effect on our environment, everybody has responsability in that. But it is just a remarkable example (probably one of many) on how governements ever since they existed (whether it is the governement, the church, a dictator, or anyone else) manipulate people by 'keeping them stupid on certain matters'
I hope we're all smarter than that and able to read between the lines when a report is eventually published
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But it has recently been suggested that the greenhouse effect and global warming issues is not really a result of greenhouse gases or something... They found out that CO2 only accounted for a very small portion in our atmosphere... but nevertheless we should find some new ways to power things.. but i guess the last thing that will not be powered by anything other than oil will be aircraft engines, because at the moment, other than nuclear power, what can produce so much power?AlexanderM wrote:Even if there would be enough oil for the next 500 years or more, we still should focus on alternative and environment friendly ways to power aircraft engines. We have to think of the greenhouse effect tooCX wrote:50 years? If that is so we should be spending all money into researching how to power jet engines without using oil..
What about this car........
http://i2.tinypic.com/1zzkor4.jpg
Its big and drinks a lot of gas, but still not as much as an airplane
http://i2.tinypic.com/1zzkor4.jpg
Its big and drinks a lot of gas, but still not as much as an airplane
Theres nothing better than slow cooked fall off the bone BBQ, Texas style
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AlexanderM
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And can you drive it over the ocean?TexasGuy wrote:Its big and drinks a lot of gas, but still not as much as an airplane
That has been said many times by oil companies and politicians trying to save those companies. it is a fact that since we started using fossil fuels in industry, the temperature of the earth never stopped rising. Many studies also show that global warming IS the result of gasses like CO2. We might be not 100% sure about it, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't worry.CX wrote:But it has recently been suggested that the greenhouse effect and global warming issues is not really a result of greenhouse gases or something... They found out that CO2 only accounted for a very small portion in our atmosphere... but nevertheless we should find some new ways to power things.. but i guess the last thing that will not be powered by anything other than oil will be aircraft engines, because at the moment, other than nuclear power, what can produce so much power?
Mega amount of Planes are the half the story the other half
Mega amount of Planes are the half the story the other half is where they gonna land and be parked stored and have space in the skys to fly in the stacks
A380 or 747 ,787 arguments apart the real issues are resources both oil land air resources and needless to say to say southern fried politions from old Texas way who are deeply invested in oil shares......
First Jet motors can be made to on other fuels LPG, rape seed oil ,hydrogen etc but so long as oil dosnt break the $200 barrrel soon unlikly to convert to other fuels
First because te jets every year are so fuel effient and the bigger one 747 and A380 are up in the per passenger seat 60 to 80miles per gal and expect aA80 to hit 120 probably soon then its obvious that these machines on cost time fuel staff ratios are making even trains and busses look expensive even in terms of overal fuel use effiencies
Airports which can handle say 500 movement a day with no way to increase these movements wil be under pressure to take only large craft 747 a380 etc and so expect the 737 and smaller types to get the shove to smaller feeder stickville airports
Expect as the numbers come in that mega carriers like A380 bigger cousins going to 2000 pax and 4000 pax will be the way forward and so the Boing model of so many crafts will be flawed and so it will go fewwer planes but much much bigger PAX
The stone age didnt stop because they ran out of stones and so expect oil to be phased out gradualy as other factors and solutions come on stream
Expect hypersonic planes mack 4 to 6 to probably be hydrogen driven
And expect the chinese or japanese or aisain combination to come out with thier own planes probably starting at 1000 pax and quickly going to 4000 Pax as with poulations like that 737 and A300 are toy planes
spoolup
A380 or 747 ,787 arguments apart the real issues are resources both oil land air resources and needless to say to say southern fried politions from old Texas way who are deeply invested in oil shares......
First Jet motors can be made to on other fuels LPG, rape seed oil ,hydrogen etc but so long as oil dosnt break the $200 barrrel soon unlikly to convert to other fuels
First because te jets every year are so fuel effient and the bigger one 747 and A380 are up in the per passenger seat 60 to 80miles per gal and expect aA80 to hit 120 probably soon then its obvious that these machines on cost time fuel staff ratios are making even trains and busses look expensive even in terms of overal fuel use effiencies
Airports which can handle say 500 movement a day with no way to increase these movements wil be under pressure to take only large craft 747 a380 etc and so expect the 737 and smaller types to get the shove to smaller feeder stickville airports
Expect as the numbers come in that mega carriers like A380 bigger cousins going to 2000 pax and 4000 pax will be the way forward and so the Boing model of so many crafts will be flawed and so it will go fewwer planes but much much bigger PAX
The stone age didnt stop because they ran out of stones and so expect oil to be phased out gradualy as other factors and solutions come on stream
Expect hypersonic planes mack 4 to 6 to probably be hydrogen driven
And expect the chinese or japanese or aisain combination to come out with thier own planes probably starting at 1000 pax and quickly going to 4000 Pax as with poulations like that 737 and A300 are toy planes
spoolup
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An airplane burns around 3-4L/100km per passenger, this car must be around 50L/100km. Are there 12 seats in it ???TexasGuy wrote:Its big and drinks a lot of gas, but still not as much as an airplane
The biggest problems of Aircraft VS Global Warming is the contrail effect during the night that prevents the decrease in temperature. Methane, Nox and Ozone emissions are far worse for the atmosphere than CO2. (without forgetting the CFCs before their ban)