SNBA Avro almost hit by a RAF Jaguar (02-JUL-02)

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SNBA Avro almost hit by a RAF Jaguar (02-JUL-02)

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One day after the mid-air collision between a DHL Boeing 757 and a Bashkirian Airlines Tu-154, a SNBA Avro RJ-85 almost collided with a RAF Jaguar, missing each other by 100ft (30m) vertically.

The RJ85 and Jaguar were in class G uncontrolled airspace, the SNBA aircraft in contact with Newcastle flying at a cleared 7,000ft level in cloud.
The Jaguar pilot, climbing rapidly away from low level was in the process of calling London military control for identification.
He had not established contact before the aircraft entered cloud at about 6,000ft.

The RJ85 pilots saw and heard the Jaguar pass beneath them on a reciprocal course just after they had responded to a TCAS resolution advisory and had climbed about 200ft but the Jaguar pilot (not TCAS-equiped) was unaware of the incident.

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Wow! Close call! I guess some military controller will be sacked...

Thanks for the info, SkyJet.
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WOW, incredible story 8O

I've allready heared that in the UK you have a lot of uncontrolled airspace, is that right :?:

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I have to look it up but I think that the airmiss that happend that day was an other one!!!! Indeed the one with the jaguar happend but I think that day the airmiss was between an SNBA AVRO and a PANAVIA TORNADO!!

Last week the UK CAA held a press-conference and this incident was announced as the most dangerous incident of 2003 in the UK Airspace.

The AVRO was flying towards NCL. As suddenly the TCAS went crazy! What happend?? A RAF Tornado was flying underneath the clouddeck. For a reason I don't know he decided to make a high energy climb resulting in a Rate of Climb of +10.000 (!!) feet/minute ... Passing the Avro at nearly 65ft and then he ended up in upper controled airspace! the cabincrew even heared the roar of the Afterburner!

In some of the UK tabloids the Captain of this flight is called a hero!! Really!!! Because he has avoided the accident ... But if you talk to the Capt. he will tell you that all of this happend in a timeframe of less then 4 seconds ... he even did not had the time to dissconnect the autopilot!

The CAA made a calculation ... the RJ had only 5 (!!) percent chance to survive!!!

The RAF-pilot .... grounded...

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Thanks for all these details, Jester.

The name of the SN hero?
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:roll: ... Should I set his name on the net???
It makes the story even more amusing because he is our Saftey Officer!! :wink:

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The RAF-pilot .... grounded...
He diserves that :!: I hope he'll be grounded for a long time. Think of the concequence this could have had 8O

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Jester wrote:I have to look it up but I think that the airmiss that happend that day was an other one!!!! Indeed the one with the jaguar happend but I think that day the airmiss was between an SNBA AVRO and a PANAVIA TORNADO!!

Last week the UK CAA held a press-conference and this incident was announced as the most dangerous incident of 2003 in the UK Airspace.

According to the CAA website :

24-oct-2003: The ninth report of the UK Airprox Board (UKAB) was published today. It covers statistics for all of 2002 together with findings on Airprox incidents filed between July to December 2002.

The near-miss on 02-JUL-02 was indeed a JAGUAR.
The statistics covering 2003 are not released yet...

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If I read you correctly, guys, there were two near-misses involving an SN BA Avro heading towards NCL, one in 2002 involving a RAF Jaguar, one in 2003 involving a RAF Tornado.

That means that two RAF pilots should be grounded. Or was it the same guy :(
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On the day of my first ever flight to Belgium (6th July 2000), an Avro RJ of Sabena was involved in a near miss somewhere over Holland. The aircraft was flying from Brussels to Copenhagen.
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
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Are there that many near misses or is it always happening with SNBA's planes :roll: :?

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