I understand, Comet...
To the makers of the B7x7 threads: would it be possible to make from your topics more a discussion instead of just posting pages and pages of links and production links?
I see little importance in posting all the B777's of AZ, AA etc etc.
I am open for suggestions etc how we can change the content of the topics, so please let them come!
Regards
Frederic
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Comet
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There are others on the forums who agree with my views on the links. A few days ago in the chatroom we were discussing the increase in posts which are just lists of links, and the general conclusion was that they were boring and unnecessary.
I admit that there are superb photos on Airliners.net, and I have used some in my own posts, but usually with a piece about the photo or an aircraft it illustrates, and I have used them sparingly in my Airline Experience reports when I have not had my own photo to show an aircraft I have travelled on, but that is all.
I agree with Frederic and Chris on this.
I admit that there are superb photos on Airliners.net, and I have used some in my own posts, but usually with a piece about the photo or an aircraft it illustrates, and I have used them sparingly in my Airline Experience reports when I have not had my own photo to show an aircraft I have travelled on, but that is all.
I agree with Frederic and Chris on this.
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
Louise
Hallo everybody,
I think the answer to the lastest phenomena can be read further up in
the following :
But if many of you do not like it, they will just stop showing beautiful
pictures of aircraft.
Personnaly ,along with some others, I quite like it, as I always know
where to find nice pictures Fast and without seaching around.
One address : Luchtzak
The same for some technical information.
May be have a survey on this item ?
63
I think the answer to the lastest phenomena can be read further up in
the following :
777 wrote:Hallo everybody, Lien and I add regularily links to this topic to enrich it.
I (andre 777) intended the 777's topics to be a sort of centralised information source of Boeing 777 information.
Apart from the info here you have immediate access to picture or other links concerning the plane.
Thank you all for your cooperation
see you all
andre
But if many of you do not like it, they will just stop showing beautiful
pictures of aircraft.
Personnaly ,along with some others, I quite like it, as I always know
where to find nice pictures Fast and without seaching around.
One address : Luchtzak
The same for some technical information.
May be have a survey on this item ?
63
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No one is showing beautiful pictures of aircraft, that is the whole point. All we are expected to read through are endless lists of links. This is supposed to be a discussion forum (and it is a very good forum), but how can we discuss something which is nothing but a list of links?
There is an upload photo section on the forum, and a picture gallery. Why can't these pictures be uploaded into there if you must show them, and leave the forum for what it was intended - discussion?
There is an upload photo section on the forum, and a picture gallery. Why can't these pictures be uploaded into there if you must show them, and leave the forum for what it was intended - discussion?
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
Louise
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sabena_690 wrote:What if a special section would be made, where you can post links of the most beautifull B777 pictures?
Sorry Frederic I forgot to answer your question.
Indeed it would be a good idea to create a Picture Link Gallery for
massive quantities of aircraft links (kidding !!!!!! like in 'Coupling').
ONLY in the context of an article or showing a particular plane should
massive links in a forum message be accepted.
Like in the AF case it had to be proven that AF had 25 and NOT 23 B777's
and this was proven through pictures of each single plane.
LINKS with NO TEXT should go to the Picture Link Gallery.
A survey could be an idea, but might not be necessary.
See you
Lien !
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Comet, I am encountering two extremes here.
1) You who want to bann topics with links
2) Several other people who like them.
My suggestion is something in the middle. Luchtzak has already something like a 'picture gallery'. What if for example 63 or 777 or ??? would make a selection every week or 2 weeks of the best pictures of a certain aircraft type posted?
Maybe Bart can create something like 'Best Pictures'. When you click on this, you can make your selection (Boeing 777, Boeing 747, Airbus 320 etc). Like this, you avoid too much links in the forum (like this topic) and everyone interested to see nice pictures (like a lot of us) can go to that section, regularly updated by one of you.
Of course, keep questions like the one of Lien above (when are the PIA B772's delivered) for the forum!
And, what do you all think?
Before I forget, André is very right when he says that this is discussed in a good way! Thanks for that...
Regards
Frederic
1) You who want to bann topics with links
2) Several other people who like them.
My suggestion is something in the middle. Luchtzak has already something like a 'picture gallery'. What if for example 63 or 777 or ??? would make a selection every week or 2 weeks of the best pictures of a certain aircraft type posted?
Maybe Bart can create something like 'Best Pictures'. When you click on this, you can make your selection (Boeing 777, Boeing 747, Airbus 320 etc). Like this, you avoid too much links in the forum (like this topic) and everyone interested to see nice pictures (like a lot of us) can go to that section, regularly updated by one of you.
Of course, keep questions like the one of Lien above (when are the PIA B772's delivered) for the forum!
And, what do you all think?
Before I forget, André is very right when he says that this is discussed in a good way! Thanks for that...
Regards
Frederic
Brussels Airlines - Flying Your Way
A good Idea Frederic,
but in case the links are accompanied by text, like in the AF 777's list it still should be possible.
As long as it is within borders(limits)(+/- 10 links).
I think you can agree with the principle ?
See you
Line !
but in case the links are accompanied by text, like in the AF 777's list it still should be possible.
As long as it is within borders(limits)(+/- 10 links).
I think you can agree with the principle ?
See you
Line !
Last edited by Lien on 03 Nov 2003, 13:32, edited 1 time in total.
BTW Twan01 is right.twan01 wrote:Comet,
You're discussing about endless links added to posts.
May I remark that you're the ONLY ONE who's adding links to your personal site on every post that you add.
On every single post 2 links gives 889 * 2 = 1778 links which result in only
TWO different links.
The large lists of links in other posts are all different ones.
Lien !
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I agree with your suggestion Frederic. I too like to look at good photos of aircraft, and often look in the galleries on Luchtzak. I have no problem at all with photos which are placed in the correct area of the forum and will go and look at them. My point is - the forum is for discussion and pictures belong in the gallery.Sabena_690 wrote:Comet, I am encountering two extremes here.
1) You who want to bann topics with links
2) Several other people who like them.
My suggestion is something in the middle. Luchtzak has already something like a 'picture gallery'. What if for example 63 or 777 or ??? would make a selection every week or 2 weeks of the best pictures of a certain aircraft type posted?
Maybe Bart can create something like 'Best Pictures'. When you click on this, you can make your selection (Boeing 777, Boeing 747, Airbus 320 etc). Like this, you avoid too much links in the forum (like this topic) and everyone interested to see nice pictures (like a lot of us) can go to that section, regularly updated by one of you.
Of course, keep questions like the one of Lien above (when are the PIA B772's delivered) for the forum!
And, what do you all think?
Before I forget, André is very right when he says that this is discussed in a good way! Thanks for that...
Regards
Frederic
If you want someone to select some "best photos", I would be happy to volunteer, as I spend alot of time on the forum owing to being on a computer the whole day, it would give me something to do.
Sabena and Sobelair - gone but never forgotten.
Louise
Louise
I think that Frederic's solution is the best 
(don't forget the Avro section 
)
Regards
Chris
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(don't forget the Avro section )I agree with you that it was usefull in the case of the Air France discussion, but I don't think we shoul generalize this to every post.but in case the links are accompanied by text, like in the AF 777's list it still should be possible
Regards
Chris
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From "2003 KH Lim"
Engine Failure on a Boeing 777
If an engine fails on the Boeing 777, how does it affect the performance of the airplane ?
Although engine failure is extremely rare, it is not a major problem should one of them ever failed. The Boeing 777 is designed to fly for at least 3 hours on one engine for a distance up to 1320 nautical miles or 2110 kilometers. That is further than from New York to Havana in Cuba.
Pilots have been checked every 6 months in even more adverse emergency conditions than just a simple engine failure. Basically, an engine failure merely require a diversion to a suitable airport and there are many such airports within the 3 hours range. However, most Airlines at the moment use 2 hours for planning purposes, to fly on one engine should the need arise for an unforeseen diversion. So if an engine fails within 850 nautical miles (2 hours flight) of your intended destination, you may even arrive safely at your airport without any sweat !
I read your comments about flying with one engine. I was on a Newark- Denver on a B777 yesterday that had the left engine failed on the takeoff roll. We were just getting started so it was no biggie, but I wonder what might happen if
we were past the point of stopping in time?
That was a very good question. All pilots have been trained to recognize
at least three important speeds prior to take off, namely V1, VR and V2 .
V1 is the take off decision speed whereby if the take off is continued
after an engine failure, it will be possible to continue the take off safely.
It is also the speed whereby, if the Captain abandoned the take off, it will
be possible to bring the aircraft to a safe stop within the remaining Runway.
VR is the rotation speed where the Captain begins to rotate the aircraft to lift off attitude and climb away safely.
V2 is the Take Off Safety and Initial Climb Speed to achieve a certain height at a certain distance.
I would not like to bore you with further related technicalities but your question was, what might happen if you were past the point of stopping in time? Well you are then above the V1 Speed (if I interpret your question correctly) and the Captain's decision is to continue the take off without any problem. He has to make a quick decision either to go or no-go. ' Go' means continue after V1 and 'no-go' means abort the take off before V1.
The Captain in the B777 you referred to must have aborted the take-off before V1 and he was very sure he could stop within the remaining Runway. So he would not have the problem of not stopping in time. If he had made a bad decision that would not allow him to stop in time, (depending on the length of the Runway), it would we quite disastrous.
Anyway, the B777 is a very safe and comfortable aircraft to fly as a passenger and all B777 pilots are checked on handling engine failures and aborted take offs every six months.
Just a small clarification.. You don't plan to take off with one engine.. you only continue to take off with one engine, PROVIDED the aircraft speed has passed V1 (about 145 to 180 mph, depending on weight of aircraft) after an engine failure!
Lien !
Engine Failure on a Boeing 777
If an engine fails on the Boeing 777, how does it affect the performance of the airplane ?
Although engine failure is extremely rare, it is not a major problem should one of them ever failed. The Boeing 777 is designed to fly for at least 3 hours on one engine for a distance up to 1320 nautical miles or 2110 kilometers. That is further than from New York to Havana in Cuba.
Pilots have been checked every 6 months in even more adverse emergency conditions than just a simple engine failure. Basically, an engine failure merely require a diversion to a suitable airport and there are many such airports within the 3 hours range. However, most Airlines at the moment use 2 hours for planning purposes, to fly on one engine should the need arise for an unforeseen diversion. So if an engine fails within 850 nautical miles (2 hours flight) of your intended destination, you may even arrive safely at your airport without any sweat !
I read your comments about flying with one engine. I was on a Newark- Denver on a B777 yesterday that had the left engine failed on the takeoff roll. We were just getting started so it was no biggie, but I wonder what might happen if
we were past the point of stopping in time?
That was a very good question. All pilots have been trained to recognize
at least three important speeds prior to take off, namely V1, VR and V2 .
V1 is the take off decision speed whereby if the take off is continued
after an engine failure, it will be possible to continue the take off safely.
It is also the speed whereby, if the Captain abandoned the take off, it will
be possible to bring the aircraft to a safe stop within the remaining Runway.
VR is the rotation speed where the Captain begins to rotate the aircraft to lift off attitude and climb away safely.
V2 is the Take Off Safety and Initial Climb Speed to achieve a certain height at a certain distance.
I would not like to bore you with further related technicalities but your question was, what might happen if you were past the point of stopping in time? Well you are then above the V1 Speed (if I interpret your question correctly) and the Captain's decision is to continue the take off without any problem. He has to make a quick decision either to go or no-go. ' Go' means continue after V1 and 'no-go' means abort the take off before V1.
The Captain in the B777 you referred to must have aborted the take-off before V1 and he was very sure he could stop within the remaining Runway. So he would not have the problem of not stopping in time. If he had made a bad decision that would not allow him to stop in time, (depending on the length of the Runway), it would we quite disastrous.
Anyway, the B777 is a very safe and comfortable aircraft to fly as a passenger and all B777 pilots are checked on handling engine failures and aborted take offs every six months.
Just a small clarification.. You don't plan to take off with one engine.. you only continue to take off with one engine, PROVIDED the aircraft speed has passed V1 (about 145 to 180 mph, depending on weight of aircraft) after an engine failure!
Lien !
