Turkish Sky Airlines first European carrier to order B739ER

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 09 Jun 2006, 09:15

Turkish based Sky airlines ordered three b737-900's to complement and replace a part of there existing fleet, currently consisting of 6 b737-400's and one 737-800.
Delivery is expected in Q1 2009

article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/3949698.html

greetings,
Tom

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website-info · Post by **website-info** » 09 Jun 2006, 09:37

THINK YOU'LL FIND THEY ARE THE FIRST TO ORDER THE B739ER

T

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 09 Jun 2006, 09:47

Indeed, my mistake!

jsd95 · Post by **jsd95** » 09 Jun 2006, 10:22

jan_olieslagers wrote:I think not everybody will be happy to see Turkey being called a European country!

It's another debate...

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 09 Jun 2006, 10:30

first european carrier to order and operate the B737-900 was KLM

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 09 Jun 2006, 10:52

As mentionned before, this article concerns b737-900ER's, not b737-900's...

Does anybody have an idea on how many orders there are in total for the b739? Is there a good website to follow-up the orderbooks of the different manufacturers?

greetings,
Tom

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 09 Jun 2006, 14:45

Sky Airlines mainly flies tourists from Western Europe (which is, obviously, in Europe) to the Turkish holiday resorts, most of which are technically not in Europe. Most of their passengers, however, are Europeans.

Personally, I would avoid flying a Turkish carrier to a holiday destination (not that I have any plans to spend my holidays there anyway, but still). They tend to depart to Turkey late at night, and fly back before dawn, yet it still counts as full days. I'd rather fly Transavia or Martinair. Even though they tend to fly back around noon, at least they fly to the resorts early in the morning, so you get an extra day to spend on the beach (or wherever it is that you want to spend it).

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 12 Jun 2006, 20:04

earthman wrote:Sky Airlines mainly flies tourists from Western Europe (which is, obviously, in Europe) to the Turkish holiday resorts, most of which are technically not in Europe.

Correct: It is in Asia... Their headquaters is @:
Çağlayan Mahallesi 2052 Sokak No:44-A Antalya / TURKEY
Phone : +90 242 323 75 76 Fax : +90 242 323 43 35

Asian country telephone codes start with 9 or 8 or 6....
93 Afghanistan
963 Syrian Arab Republic (Syria)*
82 Korea, Republic of (South Korea)
62 Indonesia

European is 3 or 4
30 Greece**
351 Portugal (includes Azores)
40 Romania
Technically spoken the closest airport in the EU from Antalya is .... Rhodos**. 249 km only.
btw, ALEPPO INTL* is more distant: 581km.

b-west · Post by **b-west** » 12 Jun 2006, 20:30

Well, if you look at cyprus, geographically they're in Asia too... and yet part of it is a member of the EU... maybe we should start calling it the PEU, Pan European Union

But, indeed, a whole different discussion

edit: these google ads are scary: I type a post about cyprus, and wham, google ad "North Cyprus Property"

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 12 Jun 2006, 21:26

Asia Minor is what it's called.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 12 Jun 2006, 23:03

b-west wrote:Well, if you look at cyprus, geographically they're in Asia too... and yet part of it is a member of the EU...

That is technically spoken indeed.
But for aviation and IATA this does not matter much.
Iata sees 3 conferences.
In Conference 2 (aka TC2) they consider Europe, Africa and Middle East.
Fares and rules to from Turkey are in the TC2 book.
Often you will read in their books:
Note that TC2 includes within Europe and between Europe and Africa Middle East, TC12 includes between Europe and the Americas, and TC23 includes between Europe and Asia, Pacific.
Where TC1 is the Americas and TC3 is Asia, Pacific. So by deduction everything left is in TC2.

hakan · Post by **hakan** » 12 Jun 2006, 23:23

Hello SN30952,

I do like your technical arguments ! I would like to add some too.

Turkey is a member state of (technically in civil aviation area):

*ECAC-European Civil Aviation Conference

*EUROCONTROL-European Organisation for the safety of Air Navigation

*JAA- Joint Aviation Authorities-Europe

*AEA- Association of European Airlines (with THY)

*ERA-European Regional Airline Asscociation (with Airport -SAW)

Also politically:

*NATO

*Council Of Europe (since 1949, possibly their membership older than your and my age, I assume)

*EU-Application has been currently assessed. In custom area they are already like full member. In other words, EU and Turkey, both enjoy one custom low/or no tariff.

The above still doesn't qualify Turkey as Europe or their civil aviation as European, then I would think that Europe has another agenda in it's mind!!

As Earthman said, not choosing to fly with a Turkish charter is purely his personal decision and I respect that. I don't want to fly with some airliners either.

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 13 Jun 2006, 00:21

hakan wrote:Hello SN30952,
I do like your technical arguments ! I would like to add some too.

As Earthman said, not choosing to fly with a Turkish charter is purely his personal decision and I respect that. I don't want to fly with some airliners either.

Evet Hakan, and Earthman should give technical arguments why he should or would not fly such or so carrier.
For me, I'd would not object to fly a brand new aircraft.

btw the nearest airport on Cyprus would be Phaphos. (FPO is closer to AYT than LCA!) And that is in a country where technically spoken, 98.66% of the Europeans cannot read the streetnames...

TWA · Post by **TWA** » 13 Jun 2006, 01:32

Anybody who can provide us with tech info and (design)pictures of the B739ER. I am really curious to see that bird.

JoeCanuck · Post by **JoeCanuck** » 13 Jun 2006, 02:43

Wait until you've flown on a tu-134. That's an interesting wee plane. It's a lot smaller than it looks. A 737, of any ilk, is a much sweeter ride.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 13 Jun 2006, 12:22

SN30952 wrote:
hakan wrote:Hello SN30952,
I do like your technical arguments ! I would like to add some too.

As Earthman said, not choosing to fly with a Turkish charter is purely his personal decision and I respect that. I don't want to fly with some airliners either.
Evet Hakan, and Earthman should give technical arguments why he should or would not fly such or so carrier.

I did give a technical argument: Turkish charter carriers tend to fly to Turkey late and fly you back home early. The choice could be to fly to, say, Bodrum with Transavia arriving at 11:00, or some Turkish carrier arriving the same day at 23:00. That day counts as one day of your 8 day trip, as far as the travel agencies are concerned, but basically you lose the day when you fly with the Turkish carrier. The return trip is somewhat similar, with the Turkish carrier departing at impossible times in the morning, but most holiday return flights are around noon or so, therefore you lose that day anyhow.

Wanting to get the most usable time out of a holiday is a pretty good argument in my book.

The fact that I do not want to go to Turkey for holidays is a different matter altogether, has nothing to do with aviation, and is even more off-topic to this thread than the question whether Sky Airlines is a European carrier or not.

By the way, wasn't Sky Airlines one of the airlines that the Dutch aviation authorities were closely monitoring a while ago?

burner737 · Post by **burner737** » 13 Jun 2006, 17:57

Let's hope they're going to fly to DUS

Regards Tim

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