Emirates cancels order for A380f

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 02 Jun 2006, 18:13

Emirates has cancelled orders for two A380F models:

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/20 ... 89887.html

RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 03 Jun 2006, 05:29

All you can say is very interesting.

And add in the Boeing mystery order just posted (as well as 10 737 cancellations) and .......

CX · Post by CX » 03 Jun 2006, 07:11

Wasn't that quite a while ago? They changed the freighter order into the passenger model order..

David747 · Post by **David747** » 03 Jun 2006, 10:46

Emirates changed their order to a380 pax

airazurxtror · Post by **airazurxtror** » 03 Jun 2006, 17:08

AFP (in "Le Soir" this morning, p. 31):
Emirates want to cancel its order for 2 A380F (the freighter), according to the German weekly Wirtschaftswoche, published to-day.
The technical data are not yet clear, and we miss them, said an Emirates representative in Europe.
Emirates has ordered 43 A380 (passengers)

CX · Post by CX » 04 Jun 2006, 12:59

43?? I thought they had 42 before so shouldn't it be 44 now?

seriously can't believe how the Emirates fleet will turn into... 43/44 of these and maybe some A389s in the future..

David747 · Post by **David747** » 04 Jun 2006, 16:27

CX wrote:43?? I thought they had 42 before so shouldn't it be 44 now?

seriously can't believe how the Emirates fleet will turn into... 43/44 of these and maybe some A389s in the future..

Big fleet of widebodies in Emirates. That is why I like Emirates 8O

TexasGuy · Post by **TexasGuy** » 04 Jun 2006, 18:57

On what routes are they planning to use these birds. The A 380 is a lot of airplane, and they are getting 43 of them? hmmmm

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RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 08 Jun 2006, 07:31

The Haj for some of it, but what they will do the rest of the time????

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 08 Jun 2006, 12:38

RC20 wrote:The Haj for some of it, but what they will do the rest of the time????

We should leave the idea behind, that airlines from this region only fly for the Haj

Especially Emirates, but also some other airilnes (and airports) from this region, want to become hubs like London with BA or other large scale enterprises / hubs. They are located between Asia and Eruope and therefore have a very big advantage in hub ops compared to other airlines. In order to attack a market like UK - India, one has to have big planes (little slots, price sensitive,...) and lots of them.

They are playing on the big scale...

Regards, Bernhard

RC20 · Post by **RC20** » 09 Jun 2006, 06:27

Still what makes an A380 profitable is a full load.

Even if they start with low seating density, I expect it will tighten up as they have to compete with those running higher loads. Boeing saw that with the 787 orders, most of the airlines were going for the 9 seat versus 8 seat configuration.

Its an interesting question, as they have 42 ordered, lots of options, and really want the
-900 bird.

Of course if it doesn’t meet its specifications, then apparently Emirates has the contracts written up where they can cancel at will. With the 747-8 coming along, it gives them some options and or leverage. They have no hesitation about using it obviously.

Still 6 months away before it goes into service, and we get real world reports on how its meeting the design goals (and delivery guarantees).

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 09 Jun 2006, 08:39

RC20 wrote:Still what makes an A380 profitable is a full load

Is that so?
Not full loads make an airline profitable, or break even.
Think that over, please.

CX · Post by CX » 09 Jun 2006, 10:37

Well again we do not know how the A380 will perform... fact is maybe it gives airlines some 'new' ideas or options to fly their routes, or it might turn out to be a problematic aircraft, overweight and non-profitable...
I personally don't think Airbus will let a pig go into service..

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 09 Jun 2006, 11:02

This topic was allready discussed here:

https://www.aviation24.be/postt9482.html

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 10 Jun 2006, 17:44

CX wrote:I personally don't think Airbus will let a pig go into service..

Indeed a pig has no wings

and even if it could fly, it wouldn't for the Emirates.

One of the criteria to choose an airline cq the type of aircraft is not the fare, but the taxes that come on top of these fares.
Now, A380's will almost exclusively fly expensive tax airport.
I noticed lately that the tax on a Europe to Asia ticket can be as high as 25% of the airfare depending on the airports.
That makes you think twice...

But back to A380F order cancellation.
Cargo acquisition is not passenger traffic acquisition.
Air cargo is bought by professionals. In fact the decision makers, for the huge contracts - that's what A380F is about? - are very limited in number. And in this business, as in maritime, the rule is that one hand washes the other. And there are not many ways of washing the hands.
Cargo usually travels one way. That's what the Taiwanese started with, but they needed also food on their island. So one would need approximately same volumes at both ends (or a combination of loads in a triangular operation).
Operating a cargo hub, means the operator needs a feeder system. And in order to make a cargo hub profitable, that operator should have a good home market or 'hinterland'. That LH has, as well as AF or Cargolux.
The Emirates lack that. There are no added value goods produced, and I think there not will be soon, as they import labour, and that is too costly to compete with the asian tigers. Their only 'handwashing' is with petrol and they cannot even permit themselves not to sell it, as their economy depends on it. And the commodity is limited in time, even Iran has understood that.
Kuwait is imho one step further. They have experienced that their airline is not doing that well, even with the high input of capital (from the oil sales). ISO creating airlines, the Kuwaitis create aircraft leasing companies. And spin offs. These, they can handle by themself, they do not need to import labour, they have their son and daughters study and handle the business, and vote!
I sooner see the Kuwaitis buy and lease this cargo aircraft.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 11 Jun 2006, 20:19

Emirates now expects further delivery delays:

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachric ... 551707.asp

CX · Post by CX » 12 Jun 2006, 05:35

That is the same as Cathay, Cathay does not believe SIA will get their A380 before the end of this year...
but i mean it isn't too surprising that it will be delayed further, let's hope it wont' be delayed for another 6 months or more..

LeftWing · Post by **LeftWing** » 21 Jun 2006, 12:23

Looks like CX & BA are having the last laugh..not ordering the 380 may be Boeing will offer them further discounts for staying loyal

CX · Post by CX » 21 Jun 2006, 14:09

But i dont' see CX ordering 748s... they are still happy with the 744 and honestly the 748 isn't that much of an improvement over the 744 anyway... imo their 30 (on order) 773ERs can take over a lot of their 744s, and with them bought out DragonAir, HKG will turn into a huge hub for Cathay, and they might as well order some A380s!

For example SIA's first A380s will be used on the SYD-SIN route as it is a very high capacity route since you can transfer to anywhere at SIN, and it is the same at HKG, especially if you can go into the Mainland... the SYD-HKG route should be no less popular than SYD-SIN... and let's admit it Boeing fans, the 748 will not get the 'hype' the A380 gives... you can wait and look for the SYD-SIN flight early next year, probably everyone will try to squeeze into the A380 flight! and with only 9 planes delivered in 2007, this 'hype' thing should last for quite some years..

beaucaire · Post by **beaucaire** » 21 Jun 2006, 14:32

No Emirates cancelations for the A380's...

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/06 ... ates.reut/