DL B767 Hard landing @ BRU?

Ivan_Eagle · Post by **Ivan_Eagle** » 18 May 2006, 18:51

hello
I just heard from my dad (works on airport brussel) that an
B767-300ER of Delta airlines had an very hard landing on 17/05/2006.
2tires where exploded from the right main gear and the wing is damaged to.
can somedoby confirm this pleas?

Greats Ivan

Title changed !! Avro

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 18 May 2006, 19:17

one can call hardy call a very hard landing a crash

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 18 May 2006, 20:45

I experienced a rather hard landing monday, on a KLM flight from WAW, but it might be because I sat over the wing, more or less directly above the gear, whereas usually I sit at the front of the plane (except last friday, when I sat at the rear).

DAT202D · Post by **DAT202D** » 18 May 2006, 21:21

Haven't heard anything about this ...

fftopic: Last year I experienced a hard landing too, I was on a China Airlines flight B744 when we arrived at Bangkok. Passengers were a bit shocked (1 milisecond) of the hard landing there..

Everything was fine though..

Depretair · Post by **Depretair** » 18 May 2006, 22:01

Hello, i've been to the airport today but i haven't seen any 767 from DL with any problem or delay. I saw during the last week end a 767 from Delta parkerd at the sattelite during the night but i don't know anything about this problem. Any news ?
Cheers... Cpt Depret

TUB004 · Post by **TUB004** » 18 May 2006, 22:40

Could anyone confirm this information? This is quite interesting..

A little

fftopic:, but a few years ago, also on a B767 of an American (not AA, at least I don't think so...) airline, I experienced a very hard landing...

The pilot was coming in too fast and too high... Once he finally got 1.5m over the runway, he pulled up.. too much.. the plane gained once again altitude... He then stabilized at about 5m high... The pilot then had a choice to make : land IMMEDIATELY or go around... he opted for the first solution.
He deployed the airbrakes and "slammed" the aircraft to the ground. It bounced about 2m high before finally being down...

And I was happily seated in front of two ladies who absolutely screamed their heads off during the bounce...

Surprisingly the aircraft did not even get an extended inspection following its arrival, it went off again as if nothing happened..

Jonathan

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 May 2006, 05:52

TUB004 wrote:He deployed the airbrakes

This is normally not allowed below 1000FT...what a stupid decision!

You can not always land the airplane like it should be you know...pilots are still humans

Regards

Post by **speedbird1** » 19 May 2006, 11:04

Does anyone actually have any info about this apparent event, or are we just going to go round and round with off topic posts.
If so mods can you close this please?

Emirates

FlightSimCrew · Post by **FlightSimCrew** » 19 May 2006, 11:54

Tommypilot wrote:
TUB004 wrote:He deployed the airbrakes

probably he meant the spoilers cant really see what the airbrakes can do at the low altitudes

Post by **Kapitein** » 19 May 2006, 12:49

I only know that the departing flight to KATL was delayed untill 1220 LT.

But what the reason was I don't know.

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 May 2006, 12:53

FlightSimCrew wrote:probably he meant the spoilers

Whats the difference then?

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 19 May 2006, 18:51

If so, then it would probably have been in the news. Or at least it will be tomorrow then. This is interesting tough. I'm hoping to find out more.

JoNnika · Post by **JoNnika** » 21 May 2006, 00:14

Never mind * deleted *

ILS25L · Post by **ILS25L** » 21 May 2006, 07:57

Goodmorning,
Tommy, I have to admit I saw the same scenario about 2-3 years ago wth an A300 from Tunisair on final approach 25L.
All seemed very normal and just before crossing the famous road near the watertower, the airbus accelerated and it looked like he was going to perform a go-around but then suddenly decided to land. The airbus did but way far behind the normal touchdown-area which reulted in heavy use of the breaks and a stop at the end of RWY 25L.
I can imagine this must be scary to passengers (and even spotters).
I do hope other spotters who were there, remember this case.
Greetz, Karl

TUB004 · Post by **TUB004** » 21 May 2006, 09:00

Hello,

The incident on my flight was a long time ago... I cannot remember very well.. All I can remember is that he deployed either the airbrakes, either the spoilers, and that the aircraft braked so hard that it nearly stalled and fell onto the runway..

Can someone confirm it is possible to fully deploy the spoilers in the air on a Boeing 767? Isn't there some kind of lock?

Greetings,

Jonathan

Bilboone · Post by **Bilboone** » 21 May 2006, 10:33

TUB004 wrote:
Can someone confirm it is possible to fully deploy the spoilers in the air on a 67? Isn't there some kind of lock?

I think you meant Boeing 767, on most airliners you have two types of spoilers on the wing, flight spoilers and ground spoilers, the flight spoilers are always in use during flight ,they are also used to turn with the ailerons, are to bleed/ reduce some speed with the speedbrake handle, Ground spoilers ( these are the inboard ones most of the time,between the engine and fuselage) can only be used on ground together with the flight spoilers (these go also to a bigger angle of extension) , meaning the main gears must be on ground and therefore is a detection system on the maingears (struts) to detect the struts are compressed and on ground. Also reverse thrust can be then only selected ( yes , on some russian aircrafts its diff.)

On this site of the 737 its nice explained about the use of spoilers with great pics

TUB004 · Post by **TUB004** » 21 May 2006, 11:15

Thanks for your clear reply Bilboone,

Yes, you replied to my question.

So the pilot of my flight could not have used the ground spoilers. The aircraft must have been close enough to stall speed to stall as soon as the air spoilers were deployed... I imagine that the pilot must have been desperate to get the plane down to make that decision at such a low speed.

Greetings,

Jonathan

Bilboone · Post by **Bilboone** » 21 May 2006, 11:43

Normally its not allowed to use the spoilers below 1000 FT because of lost of roll control.

Sometimes it happen that the aircraft float above the runway and when they flare the aircraft for final touchdown (pulling up the nose) they gain altitude again, to counter this they try to slam the aircraft to the ground and offen the nosewheels hit the ground first then. Like it happened with an aircraft of us last week in BSL, hardlanding of 2.2 G's. Blowing the nose tires and some damage to sensors and wiring on the maingears.

JM · Post by JM » 21 May 2006, 12:14

Ivan_Eagle wrote:hello
I just heard from my dad (works on airport brussel) that an
B767-300ER of Delta airlines had an very hard landing on 17/05/2006.
2tires where exploded from the right main gear and the wing is damaged to.
can somedoby confirm this pleas?

Greats Ivan

Title changed !! Avro

I know that the DL125 was delayed till 12u20, due to technical. It was told it had something to do with the wing... Your story could be more than right ! A colleague from the Delta lounge said the same thing...
On 12/05 the DL125 flight was cancelled due to a tech problem as well .. no details, I'm sorry 'bout that.

Greetz,
JM

A318 · Post by **A318** » 21 May 2006, 13:49

Rule 1 in aviation:

A hard landing doesn't mean it is a bad landing!
People are afraid of everything when they fly.

Greetz,

Erwin

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