Time to create (kleine)Luchtzak(je).be????

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 19 Jan 2006, 08:37

luchtzak wrote:For me it's a difficult situation: you want to help those youngsters knowing that they could be around here for the next 20 years, on the contrary they are annoying our fellow members.

I could not agree more with what Luchtzak wrote above - a forum, especially a successful one like this, has to accept that not everyone speaks perfect English and that it should be part of the spirit in the international aviation community to allow people to learn.

Still, and I understand Vinnie-Winnie completely, there should be a minimum level which forms and provides the meeting ground for all members. But I guess, Vinnie-Winnie did not ask for perfect English anyway...

There are two suggestions I want to make:

1. In some forums using the same software you can only post if you have used the spell check and / pr the preview. Though I also accept that this maybe bad for members who respect the rules concerning a certain language level.

2. Is there such a thing as an ignore - list possible. If I feel insulted by someone, if I am (for whatever reason) not interested in what he writes or if his spelling or application of

bothers me, I could just put him on my personal ignore list.

Regards, Bernhard

A318 · Post by **A318** » 20 Jan 2006, 18:10

Come on people, everybody is trying to write his/her best possible english but ofcourse non english people will make mistakes.
However using slang and MSN languages is a whole different case.
Just keep on writing in english the best you can and if you make a (small) mistake so be it. We are not on a school here for english classes but to share our hobby aviation. So write in english the best you can and avoid using slang and MSN languages.

Greetz (I know I am doing it always on the end

Erwin

abishay · Post by **abishay** » 24 Jan 2006, 00:02

I thought this was an aviation site not a learn english site

I wonder who came up with the idea of this topic because the misspelling does not bother me at all

and you should also remember that the point of the message is not to show off your english

the point is even if its a misspelling but if you get it and understand then case finish 8) easy if you get it then why do you want the person to get the right spelling

Also remember nobody is perfect even a an english proffesional can make a mistake so misspelling i don't give a damn :shakehead:

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 24 Jan 2006, 09:12

abishay wrote:I wonder who came up with the idea of this topic

Well me obviously!

I wasn't only talking about bad spelling, but also about the lack of quality of some posts. If you browse this site, you will find quit a few sarcastic comments on some posts which were either ridiculous, or so poorly spelled that it takes more than one time to read the comments.
I don't know if you ever browse the forums of airliners.net, but you will often see that they don't have these kind of problems. Don't you find it a bit better?

Generally speaking it looks like most people agree what I have been saying. Therefore it's not because it doesn't bother you that it doesn't bother others...

abishay · Post by **abishay** » 24 Jan 2006, 20:48

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:
Generally speaking it looks like most people agree what I have been saying. Therefore it's not because it doesn't bother you that it doesn't bother others...

Well do what you want i have nothing to do about it. go ahead and do whatever you want sir because i am no part of anything thats why it does not bother me but i don't support it or encourage people to misspell .

and about browsing A.net i do, sometimes but i am not a member and i don't find it a much of a difference

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 14 Apr 2006, 12:32

Well, I have conciously kept a distance from this topic because I think it's common sense that when you join a forum, you adapt to it's rules and try your best to fit in the community.

The fact that some people don't master the english language perfectly is no problem to me, as long as they do their best to express themselves in a fluent way. Yet abishay, I must say that you totally crossed the border with that last post. It shows no consideration to anyone here on the forum. The very fact that this topic is even in the list and that people reply on it shows that it is indeed a concern of many members; I would thus like to encourage you to take these concerns into account and not simply ignore them...after all we're all coming to luchtzak to discuss about and share in our wonderfull mutual interests.

I wish you all (or y'all

the very best)
bAIR

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:05

abishay wrote:the point is even if its a misspelling but if you get it and understand then case finish easy if you get it then why do you want the person to get the right spelling Also remember nobody is perfect even a an english proffesional can make a mistake so misspelling i don't give a damn

So a posting full of spelling mistakes is OK because "you don't give a damn"? If you don't give a damn, perhaps we can just stop moderating this forum and let everybody do and write what you all suits best?

Everybody makes spelling mistakes, and to be honest, I'm often amazed when I see how good some of the younger (11-13 years old) members can express themselves already in English.

What I can't stand, is your lazy attitude: "why should you spell a word in the correct way while you get the point as well when it is misspelled".

Writing as correct as possible should be the goal of all of us. What are you going to say when you are invited for a job interview, while your curriculum vitae is full of mistakes? "Hey sorry, but why should I write my cv without spelling mistakes if you also get the point with spelling mistakes"?

A slightly more critical attitude wouldn't hurt you...

Frederic

teddybAIR · Post by **teddybAIR** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:21

Sabena_690 wrote:
What I can't stand, is your lazy attitude: "why should you spell a word in the correct way while you get the point as well when it is misspelled".

That's exactly the feeling I'm having! If you lack the knowledge, that's fine for me, nothing can be done about it. If on the contrary you lack the goodwill to write properly, than stay away from a forum were this is somewhat important to people.

greatings,
bAIR

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 14 Apr 2006, 19:30

I agree what Frederic said. The example of the cv is a very good one, this must be totally correct and a lot of companies are very critical with such papers.

But guys please, you can say this also in a more "professional" way of writing. This guy only stated his opinion and he/she has the right to do as everybody has. But (and this was already mentioned in a very interesting topic) please do not offend him (and/or others).

nwa757 · Post by **nwa757** » 14 Apr 2006, 21:30

Writing in English has never been a problem for me...

LOL!

Seriously though, I don't understand why some people have a hard time writing in English. Luchtzak has spell check. If everyone would use it, there would be no problem.

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 19 Apr 2006, 18:16

- Has anyone noticed the hijacking of the ages and birthday topic?
- How many zillion times will the same questions be asked in the flight simulator part?
- Plenty of "mature" members have left...

Shame....

Jense · Post by **Jense** » 19 Apr 2006, 19:16

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:- Has anyone noticed the hijacking of the ages and birthday topic?

Sorry, but here on Luchtzak, we use the word "hijacking" very very quick. There is no room for heavy discussions, honnest opinions and in some cases neither for facts!

Vinnie-Winnie wrote: - How many zillion times will the same questions be asked in the flight simulator part?

I agree with you on the case that a lot of similar questions have been asked. Though, I'll give you some examples of other, non-FS topics, about the thing what this site is all about (SN, for those who didn't knew yet):
- "SN long haul"
- "SN future plans"
- "SN adding fourth A330"

Be honnest: how many topics have been opened for the 3 subjects above? A lot, indeed.

I know Vinnie-Winnie, that my post may be a bit "rude" (in terms of Luchtzak rules) but please do understeand.

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:- Plenty of "mature" members have left...

It's up to the person itself to stay or to leave. It's as simple as that. Take it, or leave it.

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 19 Apr 2006, 19:49

@ Vinnie-Winnie : some people brought these problems already up in the past, and the only result you get is that you'll be catalogued as "a rebel, a bitter and/or negative person, somebody who doesn't know what he/she's talking about, in short a pain in the butt!"

You're 500% right with the point you're making, so :

You can count on my vote when you're going for "president"

PS: please continue this discussion, because quite some members are proving the point that Vinnie is trying to make... and in we're having a hell of a fun!!!

Post by **sn26567** » 20 Apr 2006, 12:37

Rago wrote:You can count on my vote when you're going for "president"

Slow, guys, I'm not sure everyone will appreciate

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 20 Apr 2006, 18:11

Jense wrote: Sorry, but here on Luchtzak, we use the word "hijacking" very very quick. There is no room for heavy discussions, honnest opinions and in some cases neither for facts!

Yes but I'm talking about straight forward hijacking! Ie the Birthday topic! Not the one which can lead to a A vs B war or a F vs W war. That's entirely different cause yeah that is more open to debate.

Jense wrote:Be honnest: how many topics have been opened for the 3 subjects above? A lot, indeed.

Loads indeed! Difference probably is that once in a while you might need to open a new topic about the same subject. Circumstances might change, the other topic might have become too long... FS stays FS lol

Jense wrote:I know Vinnie-Winnie, that my post may be a bit "rude" (in terms of Luchtzak rules) but please do understeand.

Not upset at all love a bit of kicking if it leads to a good debate!

Jense wrote:It's up to the person itself to stay or to leave. It's as simple as that. Take it, or leave it.

Till Luchtzak will become a kleine luchtzak.be... What will you do?

Rago wrote:@ Vinnie-Winnie : some people brought these problems already up in the past, and the only result you get is that you'll be catalogued as "a rebel, a bitter and/or negative person, somebody who doesn't know what he/she's talking about, in short a pain in the butt!"

Haven't encountered that many negative reactions to be honest. Well anyway people that I respect for many reasons do tend to agree!
And not going for President no! Don't have the time nor the energy and anyway if I become one might need to moderate my comments

lol

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 05 May 2006, 19:50

Mmm wonder when our moderators are going to stop these 2 sided conversations between 2 youngsters who seem to have forgotten that E-mail or instant messaging are 2 means of conversations which are much less cumbersome to use than a forum for private chats! l

Here I am moaning again...

Post by **luchtzak** » 05 May 2006, 23:41

Vinnie-Winnie wrote:Mmm wonder when our moderators are going to stop these 2 sided conversations between 2 youngsters who seem to have forgotten that E-mail or instant messaging are 2 means of conversations which are much less cumbersome to use than a forum for private chats! l

Which topic do you mean Vinnie-Winnie? By the way: did you use the report-post tool to report that topic to the webteam?