Kingfisher ordered a set of 5 firm A340-500 and 5 options

[chornedsnorkack]

Kingfisher ordered a set of 5 firm A340-500 and 5 options.

This would mean that there are more A340-500 than -200: the current 345 orders stood at 26, so now it reaches 31, while A342, no longer on offer, sold 28 frames in total.

I think a lot of Boeing fans declared no A345 has been ordered since Worldliner became available. Well, Worldliner is in service since 26th of February, the other customers with outstanding orders are Air India, Air Canada, Emirates and Eva Air - and they have no fresh orders.

[Andries]

Kingfisher ordered a set of 5 firm A340-500 and 5 options.

Yes, great news ! Certainly because the order is for A340-500HGW, the newer variant with larger lift-capacity.

other customers with outstanding orders are Air India, Air Canada, Emirates and Eva Air - and they have no fresh orders.

Don't count on the Air Canada planes ever being built ! They've gone 777/787.
If I am not mistaking, Emirates also had the possibility to convert their orders into 340HGW's or even 380's ...

Any, great news for Airbus and the A340 program !

Greetz,

Andries

[chornedsnorkack]

other customers with outstanding orders are Air India, Air Canada, Emirates and Eva Air - and they have no fresh orders.

Don't count on the Air Canada planes ever being built ! They've gone 777/787.

How many Worldliners has Air Canada ordered?

If I am not mistaking, Emirates also had the possibility to convert their orders into 340HGW's or even 380's ...

Their Worldliner orders? It would be interesting if 777-200LR Worldliner orders can be converted into Airbuses...

[Andries]

other customers with outstanding orders are Air India, Air Canada, Emirates and Eva Air - and they have no fresh orders.

Don't count on the Air Canada planes ever being built ! They've gone 777/787.

How many Worldliners has Air Canada ordered?

18 x 777's with another 18 options
14 x 787's with another 46 options

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2 ... 0425h.html

If I am not mistaking, Emirates also had the possibility to convert their orders into 340HGW's or even 380's ...

Their Worldliner orders? It would be interesting if 777-200LR Worldliner orders can be converted into Airbuses...

No, their outstanding A340-600 orders. If I am not mistaking, these were for the non-HGW version. I though I read somewhere they could convert those orders into 340HGW or 380's.

Greetz,

Andries

[chornedsnorkack]

Don't count on the Air Canada planes ever being built ! They've gone 777/787.

How many Worldliners has Air Canada ordered?

18 x 777's with another 18 options
14 x 787's with another 46 options

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2 ... 0425h.html

That´s April 2005, and states that the mix of 777-300ER-s, 777-200LR-s and 777F-s in the 18 firm 777 orders was yet to be determined.

Has it by now (April 2006) been determined how many, if any, of those 18 would be 777-200LR-s?

[Andries]

Has it by now (April 2006) been determined how many, if any, of those 18 would be 777-200LR-s?

from BoeingMedia :

"The airline now says it will have EFB systems installed, certified and delivered on all 18 of the 777-300ERs, 777-200LRs and 777 Freighters it will receive."

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200 ... 8c_nr.html

So there will be 777-200LR's, both PAX and Freighters. How many of the 18 PAX will be 200LR's or 300ER's is something I can't immediatly find ...

Greetz,

Andries

[vc-10]

Good news for Airbus. I bet they were discounted though.

[CX]

Surely they are, performance-wise there is no reason why the A345 can better the 772LR, or else Airbus wont' have to keep going and build an 'Enhance' version... But having 5 orders is better than nothing...

[fleabyte]

if they think they will be given landing rights in US for A340-500 with Rolls Royce engines. They will never get the routes, and likely these "orders" are conditional on that, so they are just more puff

[Ovostar]

Great News! the a345 is an outstanding plane! i hope more orders will come...

[chornedsnorkack]

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pr ... isher.html

Wonder what the domestic routes are that the 345-s will serve 2008-1010, and 330-s from 2007?

[blrBird]

Kingfisher does not have rights to fly international, what are they going to do with these aircrafts?

[Manmeet]

All the private airlines in India can't fly international for 5 years. Seems by the time, these orders will be ready, Kingfisher will be flying international.
According to a midia report, KF is engaged in talks with a US carrier to fly these planes under KF banner, incase they are not allowed to fly international by then.
A funny regulation of DGCA (Civil aviation governing body in India) that allows all foreign carrieers to fly to India any time, but Indian carriers have to wait for 5 years to fly international. 8O

[earthman]

Do they get the permission automatically after 5 years, or is there a review of their performance after 5 years?

[fleabyte]

and it's 787 and 777

even after Kingfisher is given rights on the Indian side of the pond, they better find some routes to south America or something for those birds. Airbus has so many orders on backlog for airlines with no current fleet, clients or route structures, it will interesting to watch how these bookings pan out over the next 5-8 years.