Ryanair opens Marrakech and Fez from Hahn....
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speedbird1
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airazurxtror
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As said Emirates, it's good to see that Ryanair keeps expanding (what would we do without Ryanair ? It hardly bears thinking...)Emirates wrote:Good stuff, always good to see that Ryanair are still going from strength to strength.
Emirates
A good thing also is that Ryanair expands outside Europe. Marocco is perhaps not super exciting, but it could pave the way to other extra European destinations - and why not, ultimately, to the States ? and bring back the good old days of Freddie Laker's Skytrain, or even Loftleidir Icelandic ! A true LCC to the US is badly needed.
It could also lead to such exotic destinations from Charleroi or Liège ? The future looks bright for LCC customers.
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I'm also wondering how long it will take until a LCC gets transatlantic. I think there would definitely a market for it! Or are there regulations so it is impossilbe?airazurxtror wrote:
A good thing also is that Ryanair expands outside Europe. .
.......... but it could pave the way to other extra European destinations - and why not, ultimately, to the States ? ...............
It could also lead to such exotic destinations from Charleroi or Liège ? The future looks bright for LCC customers.
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Not so easy...A350-lover wrote:I'm also wondering how long it will take until a LCC gets transatlantic. I think there would definitely a market for it! Or are there regulations so it is impossilbe?airazurxtror wrote:
A good thing also is that Ryanair expands outside Europe. .
.......... but it could pave the way to other extra European destinations - and why not, ultimately, to the States ? ...............
It could also lead to such exotic destinations from Charleroi or Liège ? The future looks bright for LCC customers.
Don't forget Lakers and co .... they loses a lot of money in the 70's...
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Hi ,
Yes its fantastic how to see Ryanair expanding,
i think there is much more to come as they have stil more then 100 738's on order.
i think the future for RYR is also fantastic , i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
the New Istanbul airport is also a very good candidade to recieve RYR flights soon, if the plane deliverys goes as planned
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Mavke
Yes its fantastic how to see Ryanair expanding,
i think there is much more to come as they have stil more then 100 738's on order.
i think the future for RYR is also fantastic , i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
the New Istanbul airport is also a very good candidade to recieve RYR flights soon, if the plane deliverys goes as planned
Gtz
Mavke
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speedbird1
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Jense
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I doubt they'll do that. Why I doubt is because 95 % of the people who travel to the Canary Islands, are mainly family with children. Children who are most of the time quite young and want some food during their flight, as it passes quicker then.Mavke wrote:i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
On the other hand, one can say that an holiday-maker doesn't give a damn about the plane and doesn't want to pay 800 EUR for a plane-ticket for 2 weeks in Tenerife. What he wants it to travel as quickly and cheap as possible from A to B.
It's indeed going to be an interesting future for the LCC's, SN BA can only learn from Ryanair and their strategy!
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Well Transavia doesn't serve free food on-board their planes, and they operate the majority of charters to the canarian islands from the Netherlands, and closer to home we got Jetairfly that offers the meals as options. so it isn't that much different to Ryanair and I could see them operating those flights. The only reason that would stop them is the fact that it are rather long flights and they might earn more by flying 2 short sectors instead of 1 longer one.Jense wrote:I doubt they'll do that. Why I doubt is because 95 % of the people who travel to the Canary Islands, are mainly family with children. Children who are most of the time quite young and want some food during their flight, as it passes quicker then.Mavke wrote:i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
I might saying something stupid but ...
Dont they need airports with very long tracks for long flights like that ?
I assume it's gonna be bigger plane with more people, more luggages and more fuel in the plane.
Then, I guess not all airport are ok for that. I'm not sure Charleroi (2550 m) is ok for instance. Liège (3300 m) or Oostende (3200m) are ok, that's why they were talking about new airport in Belgium maybe ?
Dont they need airports with very long tracks for long flights like that ?
I assume it's gonna be bigger plane with more people, more luggages and more fuel in the plane.
Then, I guess not all airport are ok for that. I'm not sure Charleroi (2550 m) is ok for instance. Liège (3300 m) or Oostende (3200m) are ok, that's why they were talking about new airport in Belgium maybe ?
""Yes its fantastic how to see Ryanair expanding,
i think there is much more to come as they have stil more then 100 738's on order.
i think the future for RYR is also fantastic , i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
the New Istanbul airport is also a very good candidade to recieve RYR flights soon, if the plane deliverys goes as planned ""
Mavke,
You are right!!! Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen Airport is the candidate for Ryanair. Ryanair was ready to fly from Hahn to SAW almost couple of years ago, but the current law in Turkey doesn't allow an Irish registered company and aircraft to fly to Turkey from a third country. Turkey hasn't signed the open sky agreement with the EU yet. Easy Jet has beaten Ryanair, but they will only fly from the UK and Switzerland to SAW where they have registered companies and aircraft. Easy Jet has already applied and knocked back by Turkish civil aviation authority to fly from Germany. But according to rumors that they are determined to beat the current law or go around it, maybe opening a company in Turkey or a branch in Germany like a designated company. In that case, the government in Turkey will have no reason to reject rights to EJ to fly to Turkey from third country like Germany.
The argument of the Turkish minister of Transport is interesting. He claims the current proposal by the EU to Turkey on the civil aviation issue is one sided as Turkey has to accept EU members as one country and open it's sky to them (international and domestic market) without any conditions, but Turkey has to negotiate with each EU country individually to gain "open sky" benefits for Turkish airliners. In other words, let's say EJ could fly from anywhere of EU to Turkey, even domestic, but a Turkish company like Pegasus Airlines for example needs those countries' individual permission to fly between those countries or in their domestic markets. The minister claims that the proposal is not equal and fair. I am not sure whether this is the real story or not. Maybe my Luchtzak friends could find out more about this proposal....
i think there is much more to come as they have stil more then 100 738's on order.
i think the future for RYR is also fantastic , i see them seen fly to Gran Canaria en Tenerife from airports in netherlands germany and belgium.
the New Istanbul airport is also a very good candidade to recieve RYR flights soon, if the plane deliverys goes as planned ""
Mavke,
You are right!!! Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen Airport is the candidate for Ryanair. Ryanair was ready to fly from Hahn to SAW almost couple of years ago, but the current law in Turkey doesn't allow an Irish registered company and aircraft to fly to Turkey from a third country. Turkey hasn't signed the open sky agreement with the EU yet. Easy Jet has beaten Ryanair, but they will only fly from the UK and Switzerland to SAW where they have registered companies and aircraft. Easy Jet has already applied and knocked back by Turkish civil aviation authority to fly from Germany. But according to rumors that they are determined to beat the current law or go around it, maybe opening a company in Turkey or a branch in Germany like a designated company. In that case, the government in Turkey will have no reason to reject rights to EJ to fly to Turkey from third country like Germany.
The argument of the Turkish minister of Transport is interesting. He claims the current proposal by the EU to Turkey on the civil aviation issue is one sided as Turkey has to accept EU members as one country and open it's sky to them (international and domestic market) without any conditions, but Turkey has to negotiate with each EU country individually to gain "open sky" benefits for Turkish airliners. In other words, let's say EJ could fly from anywhere of EU to Turkey, even domestic, but a Turkish company like Pegasus Airlines for example needs those countries' individual permission to fly between those countries or in their domestic markets. The minister claims that the proposal is not equal and fair. I am not sure whether this is the real story or not. Maybe my Luchtzak friends could find out more about this proposal....
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Well, it won't be a big problem; a B737 needs 2650m of runway for its max takeoff weight at ISA+15° (so 30°) and with this max payload it has a range of 2930nm, whilst for example Marrakesh is 1300nm and tenerife 1700nm wich are well below this distance. If you count it all up, a fully loaded 737-800 could fly from Charleroi to Dakar in one strech.Then, I guess not all airport are ok for that. I'm not sure Charleroi (2550 m) is ok for instance. Liège (3300 m) or Oostende (3200m) are ok, that's why they were talking about new airport in Belgium maybe ?