Britain to buy Rafale in the future?

regi · Post by **regi** » 20 Mar 2006, 16:42

and if the US naggs too much, european buyers could turn their heads "en masse " towards the solution of the Neuron unmanned plane.
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/MediaRelati ... neuron.htm
eat that, lockheed
http://www.defesanet.com.br/tecno/saab_neuron_e.htm

fleabyte · Post by **fleabyte** » 20 Mar 2006, 18:58

Yes, that could be a good idea. Who cares what US Congressmen think, they never bother to learn what they are talking about before they spew from the mouth anyhow, look at the Dubai Ports fiasco.

I would not want my front line fighter force to have to be sent 6,000 miles to be serviced.

fleabyte · Post by **fleabyte** » 20 Mar 2006, 20:17

That will be inevitable. The neuron loooks like a good program. Europe is not sleeping, but trying to field good ucav. I assume there must be black programs going also. they will not miss the show like they did with Stealth

The Neuron looks a lot like the X45

http://www.boeing.com/ids/news/2005/q2/nr_050624s.html

fleabyte · Post by **fleabyte** » 21 Mar 2006, 00:35

I know the practical use of the technology came from the UK, Vertical take off and landing (VTOL)

regi · Post by **regi** » 31 Mar 2006, 10:56

And now this:
in the Netherlands, there is a big commotion with the maintenance department of KLM. The Dutch MoD wants to give the maintenance contract for the JSF to the Italian company Avio instead off the KLM subsidary.
in Dutch language:
http://www2.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/362 ... F_mis.html

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 31 Mar 2006, 14:44

I smell a bribe here. Augusta, anyone? Italians are good at these things.

regi · Post by **regi** » 31 Mar 2006, 17:54

hold on hold on, remember late prince Bernhard and his Lockheed adventure? He was a german and later on dutch national. Not an italian.

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 31 Mar 2006, 21:22

earthman wrote:I smell a bribe here. Augusta, anyone? Italians are good at these things.

Nationality has nothing to do with it. Belgians can be just as corrupt as the Italians! 8)

P.S. It's 'Agusta', not 'Augusta'.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 01 Apr 2006, 05:03

Corruption is much more common in Italy though, so the people there are probably better trained at bribing officials. Besides, we are talking about the Dutch DoD here, not the Belgian. I just used Agusta as an example of an Italian company using bribes to get a contract.

Ozzie1969 · Post by **Ozzie1969** » 01 Apr 2006, 09:11

earthman wrote:Corruption is much more common in Italy though, so the people there are probably better trained at bribing officials. Besides, we are talking about the Dutch DoD here, not the Belgian. I just used Agusta as an example of an Italian company using bribes to get a contract.

What about Dassault? They're French. (Sorry for using an example of BELGIAN CORRUPTION once again...

)

The amount of money involved in these military purchases is so enormous, that I'm quite sure any company of whatever nationality will be only too glad to line the pockets of corrupt politicians. Only problem is to find corrupt politicians who WANT to be bribed. In some countries it's easier than in others, that's true.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 01 Apr 2006, 13:40

Three possibilities here:

* F-35
* Navalised version of the Eurofighter
* Rafale M (not a chance)

My money on the F-35 :dance:

Seb.

regi · Post by **regi** » 02 May 2006, 21:25

But it rumbles in NATO - USA partner nr. 2 as well: today the opposition party PVDA announced in the dutch press that they will cancel the JSF programm. The socialist party sees it as a support programm for the STORK company, which gets all the dutch orders for the JSF programm.

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 03 May 2006, 16:32

regi wrote:There is an alternative:
buy de-stealthed planes and apply a european stealth system on it.
I bet that some US law makers will go berserk about that possebility as well.
And the engine may come from a european manufacturer as well.

Stealth is not just a computer build in the back of the plane, it is involved in every little design detail of the plane, going from design form to bomb bays and engines/exhaust pipes...

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 03 May 2006, 17:31

Yes but it also involves I-could-tell-you-but-then-I'd-have-to-kill-you classified radar absorbing paint. They could use pink paint instead, fly them to Europe, and see what wonderful equally classified radar absorbing paint Europe comes up with. (Hopefully not pink).

fleabyte · Post by **fleabyte** » 06 May 2006, 20:55

green and feels like mud, or it used too, 12 yaers ago.

regi · Post by **regi** » 11 Dec 2006, 16:46

and today in the Times this:
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2497741,00.html
I don't know the details. But as I read it, it looks as if each time a brittish pilot wants to take off with a JSF, he has to get a code to start the engine. Hm.

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 12 Dec 2006, 11:23

regi wrote:and today in the Times this:
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2497741,00.html
I don't know the details. But as I read it, it looks as if each time a brittish pilot wants to take off with a JSF, he has to get a code to start the engine. Hm.

No, the British want the source code for the software of the JSF, so they can modify it themselves when needed.

Post by **ElcoB** » 12 Dec 2006, 19:09

A Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on the next phase of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme was signed on 12 December 2006 by Minister of State for Defence Procurement, Lord Drayson, following a meeting with US Deputy Secretary of Defence, Gordon England, in Washington DC.

UK signs up for next phase of the Joint Strike Fighter Programme

regi · Post by **regi** » 13 Dec 2006, 17:14

How would that source code been transmitted? By email, or a guy travels in business class with a USB stick or CD?

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 14 Dec 2006, 13:03

regi wrote:How would that source code been transmitted? By email, or a guy travels in business class with a USB stick or CD?

I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you.

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