VLM looking for bigger aircraft?

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 Mar 2006, 10:50

Avro wrote:For the moment VLM will lease an Avro RJ70 to do the LUX-LCY route. This is probably due to the fact that Luxair is also using a jet to compete against them.

Source?

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 19 Mar 2006, 10:51

Instead of taking the easy way (=leaving), you would better read the above postings again and learn something: or you back your postings up, or you say nothing. It's as simple as that. Or you explain why the Q400 failed every test, or you mention your source.

Your angry reaction learns me even more about you, and confirms that you can't really back up WHY the Q400 failed every test.

burner737 wrote:I think Sabena_690 did a very low move !!!

Sabena_690 told you what everyone was probably thinking when he/she read your posting: "what is his source" and/or "why did the Q400 fail every test".

burner737 wrote:He didn't know my background ...

No, and to be honest, I don't need to know your background (that's your privacy).

burner 737 wrote:Sabena-690 if you know ASA and the people (some of them are every day in ANR !!! Don't you think they know anything, I have the deepest respect for those people, everything I know from aviation in ANR is from them !!!

I can imagine that ASA is full of experts, but then again, what does this have to do with your posting? I don't question the ASA at all, I only question your posting because you didn't give us any background information.

Perhaps I'm being a little too critical, but I've read too many crappy rumours/false information/... to believe everything which is posted on the web.

burner 737 wrote:So if you think you know more then these people ... Some of them ARE more then 30 years in aviation, who do think I believe ...

Of course I don't know more than somebody with 30 years of experience in aviation. By the way, what is 'knowledge'. To put it like this: "the more you know, the more you are actually aware of the fact that you only know very little". I don't question any member of the ASA (I don't even know this society), and I wouldn't be able to have a discussion with those people about the technical caracteristics of the Q400 anyway, because I don't know anything about the technical side of an aircraft.

Frederic

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 19 Mar 2006, 10:56

Tommypilot wrote:
Avro wrote:For the moment VLM will lease an Avro RJ70 to do the LUX-LCY route. This is probably due to the fact that Luxair is also using a jet to compete against them.
Source?

Source: VLM website. Try to book a flight to LCY from LUX as from May 15 2006 and you'll see that the equipment is an Avro.

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:00

Avro wrote:Nobody mentioned it yet so I'll do it.

For the moment VLM will lease an Avro RJ70 to do the LUX-LCY route. This is probably due to the fact that Luxair is also using a jet to compete against them.

Anyway, in case they like the Avro they might take a few of them Wishful thinking I know

Chris

Hi Chris,

So is this confirmed right now? Because VLM denied this only a few days ago if I'm not mistaken (apparently a mistake in the reservation systems or something like that).

Thanks for your support by the way, as I already started wondering whether I was the only one who had a problem with Tim his statement.

Regards
Frederic

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:00

Avro wrote:
Tommypilot wrote:
Avro wrote:For the moment VLM will lease an Avro RJ70 to do the LUX-LCY route. This is probably due to the fact that Luxair is also using a jet to compete against them.
Source?
Source: VLM website. Try to book a flight to LCY from LUX as from May 15 2006 and you'll see that the equipment is an Avro.

Thx.

I would still go for the F50, burns less fuel as predicted in the "papers" as you should probably know

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:10

Using the Avro RJ70, on the route LUX- LCY, was indeed denied by VLM and the story was also on Luchtvaartnieuws.

What's right and what's wrong?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:12

Well it's in their booking engine ?? Did they make a mistake in their own timetable ?

Strange story ...

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:14

I didn't find anything on the website of VLM...

To "Avro": maybe you can forward the link?

Regards,

Tommypilot · Post by **Tommypilot** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:16

Ok, do you know from which company they will lease the plane?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:19

It's not possible to give a link due to the structure of the site. However go on www.flyvlm.com then try to book a flight LUX-LCY for May 15 and look at the equipment.

I made a screenshot here: http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/albums/us ... hot_01.jpg

Chris

sab319 · Post by **sab319** » 19 Mar 2006, 11:29

Sabena_690 wrote: I don't question any member of the ASA (I don't even know this society), and I wouldn't be able to have a discussion with those people about the technical caracteristics of the Q400 anyway, because I don't know anything about the technical side of an aircraft.

Frederic

www.asa-be.com

A320joske · Post by **A320joske** » 20 Mar 2006, 08:12

It would be an amazing fact if VLM would buy new aircraft. I think the major reason why they are succesfull today is the fact that they fly a fleet of old but nevertheless well maintained aircraft probably in a financially very interesting construction...

Problem is that they have to find a new generation of 'second hand' aircraft at bargain prices that will fit their requirements - Bae146 or Avro probably the only option.

On the other hand it is the 'small is beautifull' concept that makes VLM so special.

Post by **sn26567** » 20 Mar 2006, 10:08

burner737,

Nobody wants you toleave. However you made a serious statement without backing it up. Such a statement could have serious consequences. So, please, give us more information about the failed tests, or refrain from mentioning such facts.

About ASA, we know they are usually knowledgeable people. And we have nothing against Aantwaarpeneirs here...

iechist · Post by **iechist** » 20 Mar 2006, 12:05

airazurxtror wrote:The pure jets licensed at the moment are the BAe 146 and RJ100, and the Fokker 70, both no longer in production.

Pure jets candidates are : Bombardier CRJ, Embraer 170/190/195 and Airbus A318...

The Embraer 135 is licensed and has operated into LCY for Jetmagic (before they went bust...).

It's probably too small an aircraft for VLM to be interested as its capacity is smaller than that of a Fokker 50.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 20 Mar 2006, 16:09

I'm hoping for AN-148

It's beautful and I hope that a airline from the west will operate those beautiful Russian aircraft!

regi · Post by **regi** » 20 Mar 2006, 16:20

Not enough second hand B717 available. Boeing should have not stopped the production. But that is another subject, I know.

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 20 Mar 2006, 17:06

The "hub" of VLM is LCY, everybody agrees with that fact!
So, a bigger plane should be able to handle approach and landings in LCY under any circumstances as well as the present F50 (that's a MANDATORY feature of the studied plane!)
I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that the B717 is agrred for LCY or able to be agreed.
As long as there is no decision about the brand, and the need for more seats becomes critical, the lease of an AVRO/BAE is the best intermediate solution!
(BTW, an Antonov148 looks really like an Avro which "forgot " two engines in the factory

)

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 20 Mar 2006, 17:10

@ alexandair
it can be either russian or ukrainian build but the design is ukrainian.

Old Nickname - VG · Post by **Old Nickname - VG** » 20 Mar 2006, 17:29

When Are They Going To Buy This New Plane?

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 20 Mar 2006, 17:42

nobody knows if they will buy new planes.
the topic only speaks about VLM looking for bigger planes
so, everithing is "open" for non-insidres and maybe still "open" for insiders

what we know is that Q400 (according some sources) doesn't meet requirements
(Q400 was the only possibility to scale up in turboprop, all other bigger planes are jets).

presently there are only TWO jets with a capacity of MORE than 50 seats that are certified for LCY : F70 (not F100) and Avro/BAE

The discussion around an-148 is because it is close to certification and, according to magazines and other press reports, it meets by far the required abilities for LCY certification, and is more fuel efficient than F70 or Avro .

we don't know more, therefore those speculations