Jat Airways and Turkish Airlines resolve disputes

Galemos4 · Post by **Galemos4** » 10 Mar 2006, 12:59

After a tense few hours Jat Airways has granted landing rights to Turkish Airlines. The Turkish government in return will not ban Jat from landing in Istanbul. The dispute started when Jat said it didn’t want any competition on the route. However this will be a tensely competed route. Both airlines have offered substantially low fares for the route. From March 26th Jat will upgrade its aircraft on the route from an ATR 72 to a B737-300. Jat will also intensify frequencies to the city from the current 5 times weekly. Turkish Airlines will use a B737-800 and an A320-200 flying 3 times a week.
Turkish will make its first scheduled flight to Belgrade Nikola Tesla on Monday the 10th of March while Jat will continue its routes.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 11 Mar 2006, 21:07

It's beter for both parties!

I don't understand wat JAT tried to do....but luckly it's solved

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 12 Mar 2006, 20:27

Galemos4 wrote:After a tense few hours Jat Airways has granted landing rights to Turkish Airlines.

JAT did what? Sorry, but what has an airline to say in this matter? Or did you mean the national authorities? Because if I would be an airline, I would prefer to have no competition at all...

Regards, Bernhard

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 12 Mar 2006, 23:01

JAT didn't want the competition from Turkish, so they sayd no landing rights for you. In response the Turkish government wanted to do the same.

Thank god it's solved!

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 13 Mar 2006, 05:05

TK will not last long in BEG. I have heard that they have been granted only 2 flights p/w into BEG. Even if TK had 3 flights p/w compared to JAT's 8 p/w, they will not last. It was the same situation with AZ and JU on the MXP route.

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 13 Mar 2006, 10:56

A_lexander wrote:JAT didn't want the competition from Turkish, so they sayd no landing rights for you. In response the Turkish government wanted to do the same.

I understand that very well, but I hope JAT (the airline) is not in the position to either aprove or disaprove landing rights. This is a matter of the national authorities and I hope they do decide in favour of 1. their people and 2. their economy (which in turn would help their people) and also according to the regulation sof a certain club the government wants to join.

So someone should tell JAT, that it is not possible for an airline to pick out the routes on which they are kind enough to accept competition. But what makes me even more concerned - how could someone believe that the Turkish authorities would accept that? Is that the way the management of JAT thinks? Well, I hope not, because this would be a very bad sign for this company.

Regards, Bernhard

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 14 Mar 2006, 00:20

well JAT has upgraded 2 flights from ATR72's to B733's, and from 5 flights p/w to 8. What does JAT need to worry about? JAT has very low fares, one of the lowest in the region, if not the lowest.

Aerocroatia · Post by **Aerocroatia** » 14 Mar 2006, 18:32

Jat should NOT HAVE ANY rights to allow or not allow any foreign airline to open flights to Belgrade or to limit frequencies of the flights. This is the job of national aviation authorites but unfortunately they are too much influenced by Jat. This can not happen in normal free economics country but this is only happening in Balkans region, as last region in Europe. Any other country can do the same to Jat and it has full right for it. Balkan counties should finaly start to behave as free economic.
Until this will continue to happen there will not be any European low-cost airline in Serbia and there will not be Centavia.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 14 Mar 2006, 22:52

yeah see your point, but what do you want to do about it?

Croatia Airlines isn't very good also.
From what I hear they charge way to much for there flights.
It's not only Serbia.

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 15 Mar 2006, 23:55

I see where you are coming from Aerocroatia, but again the EU banned JAT flights many years ago, not once, but i think twice in the space of 5 years.

The Open skies policy comes to effect on 1st January 2007, so we will see from then what will happen.

Aerocroatia · Post by **Aerocroatia** » 16 Mar 2006, 20:41

You are right, the same situation has been in Croatia along many year ago, but this year everything changed and now you can see almost every week some new flights opening to Croatia. HLX, Wizz, Easyjet, etc...
It is because the national authorities will no more protect uneconomical Croatia Airlines.

I would let the full free competition in all the region and such socialistic companies as Croatia, Jat or Adria will have to adapt to free market economic competition or they would not exist anymore.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 16 Mar 2006, 22:39

Low cost carriers...or the new ones will kill JAT and croatia and adria!

They just aren't able to adjust it seems!
To bad!

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 17 Mar 2006, 02:49

I am hopeing that this year will prove to be good for JAT. This year, frequencies have been increased on flights to:....

- Sarajevo (from daily to 11 p/w)
- Tirana (from 5 p/w to 9 p/w)
- Ljubljana (from 3 p/w to 5 p/w)
- Skopje (from daily to 9 p/w including a daily B733)
- Istanbul (from 5 p/w to 8 p/w including 2 p/w with B733)

...new destinations include:...
- Ohrid (2 p/w on ATR72)
- Beirut (as stop-over destination on BEG-DXB route with 5 p/w B733)
- New York (3 p/w with leased B762ER to JFK)
- Toronto (2 p/w with lesed B762ER to YYZ)

...CRJ's are expected to enter the fleet for the summer time to be flown on routes to:
- Amsterdam
- Prague
- Stutgart
- Rome FCO
- Brussels
- Gothenburg
- Munich

JAT has stoped flying to DAM, CAI and KWI as they have been uneconomical. JAT has not opened any Croatian destinations as of the outstanding debt but still plan on resuming flights to the Croatian capital. Have heard that Croatia Airlines may operate flights between the capitals before JAT.

ORD will be opened in October with the arrival of the second B762ER if the JFK and YYZ flights are successfully launched. SIN is expected to be resumed in 2007. A B762ER is currently in France waiting to be re-painted in the new Jat Airways livery.

n5528p · Post by **n5528p** » 17 Mar 2006, 08:40

A_lexander wrote:yeah see your point, but what do you want to do about it?

Grant JAT only reciprocal rights until someone learns how the business works.

A_lexander wrote:Croatia Airlines isn't very good also.
From what I hear they charge way to much for there flights.
It's not only Serbia.

NO airline can charge too much - the only reason a company exists is to make money. I perfectly understand every airline trying too make as much money as possible, I even understand that JAT tries it by influencing the authority - I do not blame them at all, I would do the same if I would have the possibility.

The person(s) to blame are the politicians who allow it too happen.

Bernhard

an-148 · Post by **an-148** » 18 Mar 2006, 11:25

I agree with the fact that, as long as a Cy has a word to say in matters of national air authority, it will try to use it as strong as possible, at least until it believes to be necessary for restructuration matters.
On the other hand this same company should know that this is not sustainable on the middle to long term because of the VERY negative impact on the local economy and that an airport like BEG should be linked with 3 to 4 times the present amount of flights!
air administration chould really be in service for the population and not for the closest friends.
On the other hand, I believe that JAT's prices would really be competitive in a more open market and I believe also that they would be able to survive in a more competitive market .
the better opening to other carriers would not systematically link passengers to other companies: JAT planes are best maintained (and it is wellknowed: last year's European award for maintainance quality), prices are correct: not ALL present destinations would be challenged overnight: JAT could remain best choice on many destinations.
BUT the move to a more open sky would attract more people to fly, ALSO with JAT !

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 20 Mar 2006, 00:32

I think JAT should have a form of LCC themselves. Maybe even call it Aeroput, which was their original name back in 1927 when they began first flights. They could serve less profitable destinations.

JAT has got the rights to fly to Canada, but not yet to the USofA. I am sure JAT will survive the LCC and other airlines into BEG with their trans-atlantic routes and excellent connections.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 20 Mar 2006, 09:04

yeah....I agree with you!
When are they getting the rights to fly to USA?

Galemos4 · Post by **Galemos4** » 21 Mar 2006, 01:20

Probably when the US likes us more. They said in case they don’t get rights for May 17th they will try June 17th. It is very political.

A_lexander · Post by **A_lexander** » 21 Mar 2006, 09:06

hahaha In that case it will take some time

JAT_boy_BEG · Post by **JAT_boy_BEG** » 22 Mar 2006, 00:19

Well, if JAT can't get rights to fly to JFK i am sure they could go out to one of many other destinations with their B762 being SIN, JNB, PEK, BKK, KUL etc.

Well if the JFK are successfully restarted, a second B762 would arrive by October to start the ORD flights.

Also, JAT has restarts flights to Sofia as of 26th March. It will be daily flights.

JU464 departs BEG at 21:30 and arriving in SOF at 23:20 where it will stay the night. JU465 departs SOF at 07:05 and arrives back into BEG at 06:55. All times are local times of the airports.

Also it seems JAT is returning to SKG.

JU438 departs BEG at 7:55 for ATH via SKG. Lands in SKG at 10:05, then departs SKG at 10:45, landing in ATH at 11:40. Departs ATH at 12:30 and landing back into BEG as JU439 at 13:10. Available only on Wednesdays.

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