BRU in 2006: what to expect: airlines, routes, news

Post by **Kapitein** » 27 Feb 2006, 09:51

@ Atlantis,
you were wright.

Fridayevening was there still a ferryflight planned out of LXR to do the first flight. But it was cancelled on Saterday morning.
My apologies for the wrong info.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 27 Feb 2006, 16:50

No problem Brubiac

Thanks for the report.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 27 Feb 2006, 19:09

Is there any news about Hainan Airlines? I was reading on A.net a few days ago that they indeed want to fly to Boston. But at this moment they don't have the equipment for that. Only the B767-300ER but that have to make a fuel stop.

Some American carriers are flying now to China, when could we expect the next Chinese to America?

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 04 Mar 2006, 20:26

Some years ago Royal Jordanian was flying on BRU with an A310. What was the reason for stopping that route?

I saw this evening a small story about Jordanian and their touristic business. They are going to attract again more tourists to their country.
Any chance that we can see one day again a Royal Jordanian flight?

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 05 Mar 2006, 12:29

That would be nice, I loved their livery ...

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Mar 2006, 15:55

If we look at the timetable for the route LHR - BRU and back we see and we know that there are al ot of flights every day with a huge loadfactor. I know that BA a few years ago flew with a B767 to BRU. On this route there is also a lot of codesharing.

My question about this is why they are not using bigger metal on this route, like again the B767? I read on A. net that KL will use their new A330 for the route AMS - LHR.

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 05 Mar 2006, 16:13

Atlantis wrote:If we look at the timetable for the route LHR - BRU and back we see and we know that there are al ot of flights every day with a huge loadfactor.

It isn't necessary to let a B763 fly between BRU and LHR, while an A321 can do the same job at a much lower cost.

There are indeed a lot of flights between BRU and LHR (on weekdays, we have BA 8x daily and BD 7x daily).

However, I don't know whether the loadfactor is as high as you claim. BRU-LHR-BRU is my most flown route, and a lot of flights I've been on till now have been on the empty side (last time was last Wednesday 01 March: barely 80 passengers on the A321. The return was about
80 % full however).

BMI will cancel an afternoon rotation between LHR and BRU during the summer season, due to low demand.

By the way, I counted the number of passengers boarding the BMI flight to LHR last Wednesday (it was the first flight of the day, mostly with lot's of connecting passengers, so it should have been a peaktime flight): about 35 passengers boarded the A319.

Last summer, I was on a BMI A319 LHR-BRU with barely 30 passengers. A few weeks earlier, I was rebooked on a BD A320 with both the passengers of that flight, and the passengers of an earlier cancelled flight on board. Even with "two flights in one", the plane barely had a 50 % load.

Of course, there's a big difference between loadfactors and yield. But when you know that BD is currently offering BRU-LHR for 1 EUR + taks, I don't think that they are making much money...

BA of course has the high yielding connecting traffic, flying Club Europe or Club World.

EDIT: I forgot to add that a lot of BA B763's that were previously put on the European network, have now been configured to the International cabin (with a Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller lay-out).

So: less B763's around in Europe...

Atlantis wrote:I read on A. net that KL will use their new A330 for the route AMS - LHR

This has mainly to do with cargo I believe. KL has one daily B763 flight to LHR at the moment (one of the early morning AMS-LHR flights), and now that more and more B763's are leaving the KL-fleet, the A332 will take over the B763-flight three times a week (starting in a few weeks).

Frederic

MSS658 · Post by **MSS658** » 05 Mar 2006, 16:59

wich 767's in KLM have already left the fleet acutally?
thx.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Mar 2006, 19:09

Some of the new summertimetables are now loaded by BIAC.

I give here a little overview of some highlights:

Addis Abeba

Ethiopian Airlines: Day 2 - 4 - 6
All three days are with the B767-300.
Arr BRU: 07.55h
Dep BRU: 21.15h

As you can see this timetable is different then the first I gave. Also no B757.

Abu Dhabi

At this moment no increase of flights. There is only a little change in the hours of arriving and departing. There is also a codesharing with Royal Air Maroc.

Arr BRU: 18.25h
Dep BRU: 14.25h

Algeria

Using bigger metal: from 25.06 till 23.09 we are going to see their A330-200 on day 5. The other days they are going to use the B737-800

Casablanca
Royal Air Maroc will again use the B747-400 on day 1 from 26.06 till 11.09

Montreal

Air Transat start their seasonal flights from 12.04 and are using their A310-300.

Athens

Olympic Airlines will use on day 2 a B717

Also the new flights to Krakow are loaded.

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 05 Mar 2006, 20:30

Air Algeria with a A330. Is this a direct flight between Algiers and Brussels, or does it stop somewhere (Paris)?

Anyway, good to see another big bird ...

Danny

Established02 · Post by **Established02** » 05 Mar 2006, 21:11

BRU-LHR-BRU is my most flown route, and a lot of flights I've been on till now have been on the empty side

I have no accurate data available on how BRU-LHR traffic has been developing recently, but I understand that this route has been severely affected by Eurostar. I believe Eurostar is (or has been) continuously improving their market share on Brussels-London. Currently they have +40% of the market.

Speculation: Perhaps it is not completely unimaginable that one day (soon or later) one of the players (BD rather than BA) may pull out of BRU-LHR route. 8O Ultimately those precious LHR slots may rather get dedicated to high yield long haul traffic, than being used for some low(er) yield flights carrying just a few dozen passengers.

There is also a codesharing with Royal Air Maroc.

How to understand this codesharing between RAM and EY on BRU-AUH?
Are any RAM flights (between BRU and Morocco) connecting with the EY flights AUH-BRU-YYZ?

flywim · Post by **flywim** » 05 Mar 2006, 21:44

Hi,

I also noted an extra KLM flight to EHAM.

KL1734 21u45-22u45 operated by an F50

Further I also noticed that Finnair will use its brandnew Embraer 170
on some days to BRU.

Furthermore I saw that SAS will upgrade its SK1594 flight to an A321
from monday till friday, instead of only on wednesday and friday.

Tunisair will use its A300 on the Tunis- Brussels route.

greetings

DannyVDB · Post by **DannyVDB** » 05 Mar 2006, 21:45

If I understand BIAC's website correctly, there is no codeshare but AT would fly with their own metal 8O Difficult to believe, but one never knows ...

Another new thing: connection to Kiev will go from 4 to 5 flights a week !!

Danny

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Mar 2006, 21:51

It's indeed hard to believe. They are flying on an other day then Etihad and flying it with a B737-800.

Do they have a connection to Abu Dhabi and that they are going to fly further to BRU?

Robin_Bamps · Post by **Robin_Bamps** » 05 Mar 2006, 23:14

Hi all,

AT 832 should be an Al Hoceima-Brussels flight.

Probably an error by BIAC (as Al Hoceima is AHU and Abu Dhabi AUH).

Regards, Robin Bamps.

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 06 Mar 2006, 18:58

flywim wrote:I also noted an extra KLM flight to EHAM.

KL1734 21u45-22u45 operated by an F50

KLM recently increased to 6x weekly, and will now go to 7x weekly indeed.

As a consequence, there won't be a nightstopping aircraft any longer.

Frederic

Post by **airbuske** » 08 Mar 2006, 08:57

Zaventem kandidaat voor rechtstreekse vlucht Peking

There is a chance that Hainan will come to Brussels.
Hainan will choose between Zürich en Brussels to start
direct flights from Peking. The negotiations are in the last stage
they expect soon a decision.

SN_Bigbirdy · Post by **SN_Bigbirdy** » 08 Mar 2006, 10:58

Nice, perhaps we can see OO-SLS (B763ER, c/n 30566/817) back. I last saw her in Hainan colours at 29/07/2004 when she was taxiing back to SN technics...

Simon

itami · Post by **itami** » 08 Mar 2006, 12:47

airbuske wrote:Zaventem kandidaat voor rechtstreekse vlucht Peking

There is a chance that Hainan will come to Brussels.
Hainan will choose between Zürich en Brussels to start
direct flights from Peking. The negotiations are in the last stage
they expect soon a decision.

Will that be a new code share for SN ? The Hainan example might be inducive to other Asian carriers to add BRU to their network. Let's hope also ANA will soon decide about BRU.

zillox · Post by **zillox** » 08 Mar 2006, 16:04

I hope that Belgium gets a connection with china... In the future a very important economie

Peking Or Hongkong would be fun.