SN BA A330 stuck in KGL

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 26 Feb 2006, 19:35

kglapt wrote:Its amazing how misinformed you guys in Brussels are!! The A330 had a leak in one of the engines. Am not a pilot just interested in Aircrafts.So i read and research on aircrafts all my free time. Am in Kigali and we all saw on the evening news the amount of "FLUID" (dont know if its Fuel) that had leaked from the Airbus. I dont know if anyone from Airbus can enlighten us if its normal for fluid to leak from an engine!!!

kglapt,

leaking oil from an engine is also one of the technical failures at the Silverback DC-8. However, the oil that you will see on the Silverback photo's is real engine oil, whilst the "oil" from the SNBA A330 in Kigali is salad dressing (coming straight from the Kagame Farm).

my proposal to SNBA: ask prime minister Verhofstadt to deduct the damage from the millions of euro's development aid Belgium is sending to Rwanda every month.

viva Africa viva

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 26 Feb 2006, 19:38

i think they just threw some water under the engine, then allowed the camera crew on the tarmac, and said the fluid came from the engine. Africa, don't you just love it?

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » 27 Feb 2006, 16:31

still no flights to Kigali: http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/artikel.asp?Id=2139643

Airborne · Post by **Airborne** » 27 Feb 2006, 23:22

Rwanda's leading newspaper, The New Times, just released their version of the whole story. The article is clearly a pure revenge to bring SN Brussels Airlines in a bad daylight

. Link: http://allafrica.com/stories/200602270897.html
However, I hope for a quick and peaceful solution between the two parties ...

PS: www.luchtzak.be is also mentioned in the article

regi · Post by **regi** » 28 Feb 2006, 00:29

so Kagame is reading my comments about him. Would he really make the connection between "me, Regi" and Reginald Moreels? Old days, hm.
Anyway, at the moment I am not planning a trip to Ruanda, as long as bilharzia is in the lakes.
The next immigration card will have an added line: "are you a member of Luchtzak.be?"

thermo · Post by **thermo** » 28 Feb 2006, 00:45

Airborne wrote:Rwanda's leading newspaper, The New Times, just released their version of the whole story. The article is clearly a pure revenge to bring SN Brussels Airlines in a bad daylight . Link: http://allafrica.com/stories/200602270897.html
However, I hope for a quick and peaceful solution between the two parties ...

PS: www.luchtzak.be is also mentioned in the article

The article on allafrica.com is rubbish. There were no technical problems with the SNBA plane, this is a political issue.

They should be happy a Western company even wànts to fly to these third world banana-republics, in stead of making problems!

kglapt · Post by **kglapt** » 28 Feb 2006, 06:36

No need to trivialise this issue by calling us names. The fact is the A330 regsn OO SFM had a leak. Now i have received the photos!!! so will try and post them here!! And there is no question about it, there was a leak. Question is the Aircraft now flying?? or parked in a hangar undergoing maintenance?? Those in Brussels can confirm this. I think thats why the flights to KGL are cancelled!!!!

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 28 Feb 2006, 09:35

kglapt wrote:No need to trivialise this issue by calling us names. The fact is the A330 regsn OO SFM had a leak. Now i have received the photos!!! so will try and post them here!! And there is no question about it, there was a leak. Question is the Aircraft now flying?? or parked in a hangar undergoing maintenance?? Those in Brussels can confirm this. I think thats why the flights to KGL are cancelled!!!!

I'm really looking forward to see this so called "leak"

The 3 planes are flying every day since the day OO-SFM came back from Ruanda.

Chris

petarn · Post by **petarn** » 28 Feb 2006, 14:59

I can confirm that it wast just political question, there was no technical fault. They were trying to find technical faults to hold the aircraft on ground at kigali. When an airplane is standing some days on ground with full fuel tanks, it's normal that there is a very small leak. When the engines are some days not running it's normal that there will be some oil leaking, because the oil cools down and it's leaking via a small drain, it's made for that.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 28 Feb 2006, 15:43

it's actually quite funny to read how people on different parts of the world are (mis?)informed.

kglapt · Post by **kglapt** » 28 Feb 2006, 15:57

Thanks.Life is about learning. As i said am just a guy who loves reading about Aircrafts. now i know that when AC are on ground for a day or 2, its normal for like 5 - 10 litres to leak out of the tanks. Is that the case with ALL aircrafts or only A330?

Post by **sn26567** » 28 Feb 2006, 16:16

Airborne wrote:Link: http://allafrica.com/stories/200602270897.html

So, the captain of this infamous A333 is the brother of world-famous Belgian actor Jean-Claude Van Damme? Can any SN insider confirm?

SpicyJet · Post by **SpicyJet** » 28 Feb 2006, 17:11

petarn wrote:I can confirm that it wast just political question, there was no technical fault. They were trying to find technical faults to hold the aircraft on ground at kigali. When an airplane is standing some days on ground with full fuel tanks, it's normal that there is a very small leak. When the engines are some days not running it's normal that there will be some oil leaking, because the oil cools down and it's leaking via a small drain, it's made for that.

Indeed !!
I would even add that the opposite would be a very bad mechanical sign !!
But we all know we could not expect anything but that from a country that doesn't even have any airline (OK RwandairExpress, but with OY reg). Or should we call SilverBack an airline ??

The truth is that such story reveals the true African mentality. Corruption, retaliation "under the belt", and then they try to appear as victims. Don't you all remember the CamAir saga a few months ago ?? SN, AF and LX paid for UY's grounding by french CAA. I support a common black-list for the BIG EUROPE. That way we will see less flying rubbish-bin from Africa. And don't come and say "let's help Africa". Rwanda, Congo,... receives tons of European fundings. ET, KQ have shown that some can run a good aviation business in Africa !!
About allafrica.com, this is pure crap. SN's captain has never talked to the local press. I know both him and his crew as well as the country manager acted promptly in the company and passenger's interests.
To end this in fun I invite you all in the modern DC8F of Mr Kagame's friend. Bear in mind that Rwanda "CAA" checked SN's seatbelts serviceability dates...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0992552/L/

regi · Post by **regi** » 28 Feb 2006, 21:12

was that picture taken at an aircraft museum?

petarn · Post by **petarn** » 28 Feb 2006, 21:53

No, the 5 to 10 liters it's the condens. In the air the fuel is -10 or more degrees. when the airplane is on ground, temperature in Kgali about 30 degrees, that causes the condens. It's complete normal, when I'm checking planes here, I walk under the wing in dry weather conditions (no snow, no rain) you will see water under the wings at every airplane where there is fuel in the tanks!! And small leakages of the drains of the engine is normal, there are limits. And I can say, the limits are higher. I work already a lot of years as an airplane engineer.

Post by **Bottie** » 28 Feb 2006, 22:38

SpicyJet wrote:...To end this in fun I invite you all in the modern DC8F of Mr Kagame's friend. Bear in mind that Rwanda "CAA" checked SN's seatbelts serviceability dates...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0992552/L/

here's some more: http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/thumbnails.php?album=448

DFW · Post by **DFW** » 01 Mar 2006, 04:09

With all due respect Kglapt, it's an issue of credibility. Like all large modern airlines, SNBA is governed by rigorous and transparent rules set by EASA. Maintenance records are well maintained, right down to the name of the mechanic who did each work. There are severe penalties for not having records in order. And the A330 is a modern airplane.

On the other hand, its too much of a coincidence that this action by the Rwandan government comes after the Silverback DC-8 affair. Regarding the CAA, how many airplane engineers are there in Rwanda?

And Jean-Claude Van Damme? I could be wrong, but that sounds too weird.

DFW · Post by **DFW** » 01 Mar 2006, 04:18

blackhawk wrote:still no flights to Kigali: http://www.tijd.be/nieuws/artikel.asp?Id=2139643

What flight crew member would go on that flight now? I'd rather fly into Baghdad.

Airborne wrote:PS: www.luchtzak.be is also mentioned in the article

Well, there goes any credibility that article had!

regi · Post by **regi** » 01 Mar 2006, 10:38

The amount of replies in 1 week shows how concerned Belgians are about this. And no racist remarks , so that excuse can also not being used.
If you travel now to Kigali, you need to take an extraction team with you.

Aviation24.be

SN BA A330 stuck in KGL

no technical problem

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condens

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