Did secret CIA flight land in Antwerp (Belgium)?

b-west · Post by **b-west** » 20 Feb 2006, 18:35

Yeah, who cares that the US violates tons of international laws, that they use our airspace to transport people to be tortured in illegal prison camps... lets shut up about it so we can continue to spot planes...

Allow me to say I think this is a very narrow minded and dangerous view.

elnombre · Post by **elnombre** » 20 Feb 2006, 22:49

Allow me to say I think this is a very narrow minded and dangerous view.

Please, please, please do me the courtesy of reading my posts properly and perhaps you will understand that it is you with the narrow minded views.

I could try and explain (again) what I meant but why bother
El

Skymaster · Post by **Skymaster** » 21 Feb 2006, 11:22

Dear spotters if any of you is still interested in the daily mouvements/photos at ANR/EBAW
please check the splendide local site of ASA:

www.asa-be.com

enjoy 8)

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 21 Feb 2006, 12:10

To everybody in this topic:

Calm down please, stay polite and correct. And don't turn this topic into a political debate or it will be closed immediately.

Chris

burner737 · Post by **burner737** » 21 Feb 2006, 15:55

Avro wrote:To everybody in this topic:
or it will be closed immediately.

Chris

I think that's the best for every one who cares about aviation ...

Regards Tim

regi · Post by **regi** » 21 Feb 2006, 18:21

Now that is a big mistake. The basic question was if anyone could give information about flights that are connected to the CIA story. A normal question, and 100% about aviation.
Than some people start to say we should not talk about that.
But this is a website about aviation! So we can talk about some nice pictures of an odd flight. But we cannot say that the airplane is related to a story.
Next time that an Ilyushin lands at Brussels, we say that it is the transportation of somebody from Russia with the name Putin. But we will not more say he is the president. Because that is a political statement.
Complete nonsense.
So , back to the main question: where are the data of the flights connected to the CIA story?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 21 Feb 2006, 18:48

regi wrote:Now that is a big mistake. The basic question was if anyone could give information about flights that are connected to the CIA story. A normal question, and 100% about aviation.
Than some people start to say we should not talk about that.
But this is a website about aviation! So we can talk about some nice pictures of an odd flight. But we cannot say that the airplane is related to a story.
Next time that an Ilyushin lands at Brussels, we say that it is the transportation of somebody from Russia with the name Putin. But we will not more say he is the president. Because that is a political statement.
Complete nonsense.

Regi,

some comments where way too political and have been removed. They were not stating that "terrorists" were transported on a CIA flight which had been loged in ANR. It went way beyond that and they had to be removed. Case closed

md95 · Post by **md95** » 22 Feb 2006, 17:58

Why don't we leave the political aspects of this subject to an appropriate political forum somewhere else.
If the passengers on those flights are not deplaning in Antwerp, or any other intermediate point, why should the airport authority care. The country of the originating flight and the destination country should take care of the passengers.

regi · Post by **regi** » 23 Feb 2006, 10:36

Okay, no problem. In this case the airport authority must know the origin of the plane and its destination. If that is too much asked, there is a problem. And if an authority asks a question it must be answered correctly. What if the provided information turns out to be incorrect - read " lies" ?
Another problem arises if such a plane has to make an emergency landing. How will they solve that problem? Will belgian police take custody of arrested people? Or will embassy people of that foreign nation come to take care of all the passengers?

They better be open about it. One day or the other the government will have to answer unpleasant questions.

regi · Post by **regi** » 23 Feb 2006, 10:40

Another very serious problem is abuse of power. In many western countries (UK, USA, Netherlands, Belgium) we have seen that military personell used military transport planes to smuggle drugs. Specifically the cocain flights of the dutch airforce were on an industrial scale.
How can we prevent that if we are not allowed to control planes?

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 23 Feb 2006, 11:47

regi wrote:Another very serious problem is abuse of power. In many western countries (UK, USA, Netherlands, Belgium) we have seen that military personell used military transport planes to smuggle drugs. Specifically the cocain flights of the dutch airforce were on an industrial scale.
How can we prevent that if we are not allowed to control planes?

drugs indeed can make people write things that are very strange...

regi · Post by **regi** » 23 Feb 2006, 14:09

Military planes have been abused the last years frequently for drugs transports. That is a fact. Dutch an Belgian military were convicted for this. (from Carabian and Bosnia)
That is an obvious reason to control airplanes that land on Belgian soil.
Don't suggest again I am a drug abuser.

Post by **ElcoB** » 11 Mar 2006, 18:28

On July 20, 2002, a Gulfstream III private jet has made a stopover at Antwerp airport

One source reveals : Gulfstream III - N829G was in EBAW on 20/7/02:

Het vliegtuig dat volgens The New York Times gebruikt werd voor de bekritiseerde uitzetting van de Syrische Canadees Maher Arar, was vaker in Nederland. Het gaat om een Gulfstream III met de registratie N829MG, van de Amerikaanse firma Presidential Aviation. Op 20 juli 2002 – twee maanden voordat het toestel Arar zou hebben vervoerd – landde het op Schiphol, komend uit Antwerpen.

There is a possibility it was a Learjet 35A - N221SG: foto :
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/002132.html
Or maybe that plane was on a other date on EBAW or BRU or CRL.

Someone has more info about this two planes, log or picture-data ?

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 Mar 2006, 15:01

Saturday, 11/03/2006, it was revealed that the CIA has some storage capacity in Deurne. It is possible it's a dispatch centre for Europ for their material.
So there must be flights on a regular basis to serve that facility.
Anyone an idea wich planes are involved?

regi · Post by **regi** » 14 Mar 2006, 18:43

But please, dear members, our member Burner 737 Tim asked politely not to talk about it anymore, and not to send pictures. It would affect his hobby of shooting pictures.

elnombre · Post by **elnombre** » 14 Mar 2006, 19:23

Regi
Thank you for your understanding.
El

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 Mar 2006, 19:31

Yes, maybe it would affect our hobby. But when our hobby is affected by this, a lot of other things would be affected . I found this very powerful :

regi wrote: I do certainly want to know about it what kind of airplanes land at Antwerp. Why should it not be reported? Fascism starts when we turn our heads and say we didn't know about it.

I will not further discuss this here, because the matter is discussed on more dedicated forums.
Here I'm only interested in the very nature of this (excellent) forum : technical data, logs and photo's. I'm not letting anybody exercise any intimidation over me.
I do not mean harm, I'm just bringing forward my point of view.
Respectfully :
ElcoB.

Post by **ElcoB** » 14 Mar 2006, 20:00

jan_olieslagers wrote:
ElcoB wrote:Saturday, 11/03/2006, it was revealed that
What's your source?

There are several : one can be found here;http://www.indymedia.be/nl/node/1683

The original here:http://www.sp-a-rood.be/pers.htm

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