KLM to buy new aircraft?

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 16 Feb 2006, 16:34

KLM still has Transavia (first the "LCC" part was tagged Basiq Air)

not as LCC pricewise as some of the other major ones but still based on that principle.

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 16 Feb 2006, 16:58

Tnx mate...

i knew that, just... distracted...

so, then.. Basiq Air was existing before Buzz... ?! how did they came up with it...(KLM!) if you know the story, i'd like to know more...

unlike Airfrance that is allergic to LCC...

A318 · Post by **A318** » 16 Feb 2006, 22:36

HorsePower wrote:
A318 wrote:KLM UK doesn't exist anymore, they are now all under KLM Cityhopper brand!
Till recently, KLM UK still existed, even if all aircraft were in KLMC livery.

Regards

Seb.

That recently was November 1st 2002

On this day the merger between KLM UK and KLM Cityhopper was a fact.

Regards,

Erwin

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 17 Feb 2006, 17:12

A318 wrote:That recently was November 1st 2002
On this day the merger between KLM UK and KLM Cityhopper was a fact.

Regards,

Erwin

I do not deny this, but according to AF-KLM, some aircraft were still under KLMC UK, some were under KLMC:

See this annual report, page 61.

Technically speaking, at March 31st 2005, KLMC and KLMC UK were still two different carriers, with theirs own aircraft, even if they had the KLMC livery...

Hope it's clearer now

!

Seb.

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 17 Feb 2006, 17:31

So noone here can tell me the full story of the end of Buzz (from a Klm point of view) and the startup of BasiqAir then Transavia ?

Waiting for your posts...

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 20 Feb 2006, 08:24

When KLM had Buzz around, it was started up from AirUK (KLM-UK) using the BAe146 fleet, and staff. It was basically an airline serving British market, and (holiday) destinations. Typically one of the last destinations added was Amsterdam..

Around the same time or a little while after that start up, Transavia applied the LCC concept to some of their flights selling them as Basiq Air, flying mainly to destinations that Transavia was already flying under a regular (non-charter) schedule. (those were also the flights mostly that KLM used to codeshare with). The planes kept the livery of Transavia for obvious flexibility purposes.

In the meantime when Basiq Air was getting in the air Buzz was sold since KLM didnt think their (planned) investment in new planes and expansion (which they had more of less pending in the business plans) was going to be viable enough against the giants Easyjet and Ryan air. Maybe other issues played in the background too (in-house competition against the purposes of KLM-UK being a (british) feeder airline to KLM's hub and network.)

anyhow.. the Basiq Air label (it was not more than just a label) recently got taken out, and the whole concept integrated into Transavia, and now the whole network of Transavia is available as LCC concept flights to non-charter passengers - which gave an enormous boost i suppose.

i hope that figures it a bit for you...
mins you - some of it is my interpretion of how i see the developments..

KLM671 · Post by **KLM671** » 20 Feb 2006, 22:08

Thank you jelger, it was some interesting reading!

Regards
KLM671 :wave:

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 21 Feb 2006, 04:32

jelger wrote: anyhow.. the Basiq Air label (it was not more than just a label) recently got taken out, and the whole concept integrated into Transavia, and now the whole network of Transavia is available as LCC concept flights to non-charter passengers - which gave an enormous boost i suppose.

This is not entirely true, the LCC flights for which they sell tickets are not the same as the charter flights, or at least not in all cases. The schedule and flight numbers differ, even if they fly on the same days.

jelger · Post by **jelger** » 21 Feb 2006, 09:04

ok.. havent been checking that out into detail.

- sounds logical in a way, that some charters/flights are totally sold to tour/holiday package vendors

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 21 Feb 2006, 15:40

I only noticed because last summer I went to Rhodes on a Transavia flight that had a different flight number and departure time than the one they sold tickets for on their website. Same for the return.

Levi · Post by **Levi** » 21 Feb 2006, 18:39

Ontopic, KLM choice Airbus for the replacements of the Boeing 737-300 and 400 versions!

KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!

Why not the Boeing 737-800's??

teach · Post by **teach** » 21 Feb 2006, 21:10

KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!

Source?

I have an extremely hard time believing that...

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 21 Feb 2006, 21:25

teach wrote:
KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!
Source?

I have an extremely hard time believing that...

Same over here!!! What is your source please ?

I would really be surprised to see KL introducing 3 new types in the fleet, or 1 complete new family while they could just reduce the number of types in their fleet by adding more NG's ......

Time will tell.

Chris

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 22 Feb 2006, 00:35

Levi wrote:Ontopic, KLM choice Airbus for the replacements of the Boeing 737-300 and 400 versions!

KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!

Why not the Boeing 737-800's??

Hi Levi,

According to sources I consider as reliables, KL is about to place an order for wingleted B737NGs.

Regards

Seb.

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 22 Feb 2006, 01:11

HorsePower wrote: According to sources I consider as reliables, KL is about to place an order for wingleted B737NGs.

I remember hearing they allready ordered extra NG's (2 -800's I believe, not sure though). Those were not for fleet-renewal, but expansion if I am not mistaking. Anyway, if they chose 737 for expansion it would be very unlogical to choose 320 for renewal (even with AF having a giant 320-fleet).

Once it appears on Airbus' site in an official press-release, only then I will believe they ordered A320 ...

Greetz,

Andries

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 22 Feb 2006, 01:39

I remember hearing they allready ordered extra NG's (2 -800's I believe, not sure though).

Yes, as well as a B738 for Transavia. Check this link for more details.

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 24 Feb 2006, 22:44

KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!

mmm...

i'd love to fly with small airbusses under KLM colours, but unless it comes from airfrance, i can't understand who convinced them...

I read on one of the airlines magazine (sorry can't remember exactly the one) february issue.. the new "fokker" REKKOF is planning to restart production of the 100's supposed an alleged need from KLM for 80 (?!) of this planes in the coming years...

8O

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 25 Feb 2006, 00:07

flyingblueboy wrote:REKKOF is planning to restart production of the 100's supposed an alleged need from KLM for 80 (?!) of this planes in the coming years...

8O

KL... + AF = a need for 80 regional jets (including options).

Seb.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 26 Feb 2006, 18:21

Levi wrote:Ontopic, KLM choice Airbus for the replacements of the Boeing 737-300 and 400 versions!

KLM wil soon place an order for 30 aircraft: 8 A319, 14 320 and 8 321's!

Why not the Boeing 737-800's??

Nope, 738's and 739's will be their new back bone.
I have no idea where this feritale is coming from but not from KLM!

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 25 Mar 2006, 15:17

On the Holland Herald (March issue) Klm stated there is a refitting of the entire Fokker 100 fleet (Carpet, interior..)

So, does it mean... They will keep the plane for another while..

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