KLM to buy new aircraft?

Buzz · Post by **Buzz** » 31 Dec 2005, 02:15

I can't see KLM taking all of AF's Fokkers, since KLM doesn't have an other fleet type to give to AF...

I would have to agree with Horsepower: if there are movements, it's because AFregional gets new planes and doesn't need the Fokkers anymore. That would be 2007-2008 at best.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 04 Jan 2006, 21:27

Atlantis wrote:At this moment it's not shore that KLM took over the whole fleet of 21 F70. It could be that it will be only 5 F50. They are made an inventory, after that they will decide what it will be. I was also saying that on an other topic.

Almost correct, Régional has 5 F70's wich could be transefered to KLM Cityhopper. F50's from any "Air France Regional" carrier are not on the wanted list.
However besides the 5 F70's from Régional there are 16 more F70's with other "Air France Regional" carriers which could be interesting to transfer to KLM Cityhopper also.
There is a side note, as far as I know they want to fly the F70/100's until 2010 and I am not sure if they are ready to take the hassle for "just" 4 years.

Greetz,

Erwin

teach · Post by **teach** » 04 Jan 2006, 21:59

there are 16 more F70's with other "Air France Regional" carriers

I think you mean F100.

CXRules · Post by **CXRules** » 04 Jan 2006, 22:08

According to the last update by Boeing in 2005, they added a new order from KLM: 1 B737 and 3 B777

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 04 Jan 2006, 23:23

... and one B737-700 for Transavia also.

A318 wrote:Régional has 5 F70's wich could be transfered to KLM Cityhopper.

The 6 E-190LR ordered last summer will replace the 6 leased Saab 2000. In fact, one of them has been already replaced by an ex-CCM F100. so, if firmed, the 6 E-190LR on option could eventualy replace the F70 (meaning Régional momentarily leaves the 70-80 seats sector...). If happening, it won't be before end of 2008 at best...

See also:
Régional CAE took over the last CCM F100
AF-KLM future regional fleet plan

Regards

Seb.

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 07 Jan 2006, 21:23

I tought KLM had planty of F70? Didn't they need a few more F50?

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 08 Jan 2006, 01:06

fokker_f27 wrote:I tought KLM had planty of F70? Didn't they need a few more F50?

Actually, KLMC started replacing leased F50 with F100.

Regards

Seb.

fokker_f27 · Post by **fokker_f27** » 08 Jan 2006, 20:19

I didn't know they where leased, who's are they?And are they still going to be flown long after that? The KLM f50 is the steriotype f50 to me.

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 09 Jan 2006, 00:15

KLM Cityhopper
F50
On finance lease:......6
On operating lease:..2

KLM Cityhopper UK
F50
On operating lease:..6

As you can see, none of the F50s are company owned. I know some were leased from Denim Air. I Don't know about the others...

Regards

Seb.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 20 Jan 2006, 18:51

HorsePower wrote:KLM Cityhopper
F50
On finance lease:......6
On operating lease:..2

KLM Cityhopper UK
F50
On operating lease:..6

As you can see, none of the F50s are company owned. I know some were leased from Denim Air. I Don't know about the others...

Regards

Seb.

Only one Denim F50 is flying for KLC and also that will finish soon when the "new" F100's come in.

KLM671 · Post by **KLM671** » 21 Jan 2006, 04:47

don't forget that they still have 18 (not sure if the number is correct, heard it) options for the A 330!

Regards
KLM671 :wave:

USCr9 · Post by **USCr9** » 30 Jan 2006, 05:53

Ive heard stuff about a 737NG order this year

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 14 Feb 2006, 16:54

oh dear, we gonna see this Fokker around for quite a bit then..

unless they order something, it won't be ready...

good at least the are replacing the old 737x's

KLM taking second hand FXXX, they are profitable, do they need to look at the bottom of the barrel... is it there the good wine ?

i read there are no plan to replace the Fxxx fleet... infact they are taking all the ones they can find around...

They are missing so much the BAE 146 bought from ryanair after they sold Buzz... (wonder who made the deal there?)

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 14 Feb 2006, 23:57

flyingblueboy wrote:They are missing so much the BAE 146 bought from ryanair after they sold Buzz... (wonder who made the deal there?)

At least, I know that G-UKAC and G-UKID are still owned by KLM UK and are leased to Cityjet as EI-DEW and EI-DEX respectively.

Regards

Seb.

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 15 Feb 2006, 05:19

I read Bae are quite expensive to run, in terms of fuel consumption, so that is why ryan got rid of...

And at Buzz time oil was cheaper...

Also having different types in the fleet is not their goal.

AirbusA350 · Post by **AirbusA350** » 15 Feb 2006, 05:21

This topic was also discussed a while back: https://www.aviation24.be/posts14284-highlightklm.html

A318 · Post by **A318** » 15 Feb 2006, 21:52

HorsePower wrote:
flyingblueboy wrote:They are missing so much the BAE 146 bought from ryanair after they sold Buzz... (wonder who made the deal there?)
At least, I know that G-UKAC and G-UKID are still owned by KLM UK and are leased to Cityjet as EI-DEW and EI-DEX respectively.

Regards

Seb.

KLM UK doesn't exist anymore, they are now all under KLM Cityhopper brand!

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 15 Feb 2006, 23:55

HorsePower wrote:At least, I know that G-UKAC and G-UKID are still owned by KLM UK and are leased to Cityjet as EI-DEW and EI-DEX respectively.

Some corrections here:
In fact, these aircraft were not owned by KLM UK but leased. They were then sub-leased to WX untill the lease date expires. So, it is not impossible they're now leased directly to WX.

A318 wrote:KLM UK doesn't exist anymore, they are now all under KLM Cityhopper brand!

Till recently, KLM UK still existed, even if all aircraft were in KLMC livery.

Regards

Seb.

flyingblueboy · Post by **flyingblueboy** » 16 Feb 2006, 16:05

Tnx hourse..

Put it this way... they tried a LCC, with Buzz, they didn't have it right and eventually they sold it...(to FR) probably to stop the emorragy of money they were having...

Someone else sold it's own as well, and made good money (read BA's GO to EZ)...

Now others are thinking to have a LCC under them (IB is Thinking, LH, we all heard about BA Connect, Alitalia tried to buy Volareweb, so)..

Wish Klm UK still existed with a buzzing buzz.. their in flight magazine was nice

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 16 Feb 2006, 16:33

KLM owns Transavia, which is part charter part LCC.

Aviation24.be

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2010 for the F100 ?

Bae 146

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