Do you follow ATC's orders in flightsim?

[Vinnie-Winnie]

Hi everyone,

I'm really starting to get fed up of flight simulator 2004's ATC...

-ATC Orders me to descend way to early so that Most of the time I fly at 3000 feet above the ground for about 20 minutes before my last descend to the runway.
- Silly last orders such as turning 45 degrees left to be able to do a 90 degrees right turn to face the runway.
-ridiculous orders once U get closer to the airport! Don't even think about doing a "straight in" approach.
-High amounts of missed approaches because of a aircrafts in front of you


Just to give you an example was flying from Dusseldorf to Amsterdam yesterday. My flightplan should have led me to be 30 degrees then land on runway 36r! But no once I crossed the Dutch border I was forced to turn right fly over eindhoven just inches away from Belgium then slowly turn right. Pointless because I was way too far to the left on the runway. Luckily because I was miles and miles away so could intercept the ils on time! Anyway perfect landing, then crashed against another plane because I forgot to turn off the enable collisions option.


anyways what do you all do to avoid this?

[Yaroslav]

The only advice will be to fly online !

[vc-10]

I find FS2004/2002 ATC o.k. it has it's bugs, but I live with it.

[EHAM]

-ATC Orders me to descend way to early so that Most of the time I fly at 3000 feet above the ground for about 20 minutes before my last descend to the runway.

Sometimes I get the opposite. At 10 miles from the RWY I'm still at 10000 feet and descending (falling down ) to 3000 feet to intercept the ILS glideslope.

Grtz,

[teddybAIR]

I experienced the same EHAM. I'm glad it was only simulation, cause my ears wouldn't have lasted such a descent!

[AFApresident]

The only advice will be to fly online !

I agree I have flown all except 4 of my flights since June 2001 on VATSIM, the 2 times I tried FS9 ATC I got depressed, because ATC never even instructed me to descend. So I was flying over my destination airport at FL350. I rather have no ATC online then using FS9 ATC.

Online flying rules!

[abishay]

There is only one thing to do turn off the ATC everytime or just dont listen to him or her. Thats what i do

[SAB-OM]

join the online flying experience and you don't want to go back !!

the FS ATC is extremely unrealistic, based on American (FAA) language and does not know at all which procedures to follow - not to mention which runway to use...

I really recommend the IVAO.aero network !
with about 700-1000 users online every evening (record is 1343 a few weeks ago)
the quality level has changed dramatically in the last few years and the software is the best of "the industry"
ATC follows reallife procedures and it also sounds extremely real - lot's of events and fly-ins you can join
and the Belgian division is one of the best

you can also find all the big belgian VA's online - you feel really "at" brussels:
- SN Brussels Airlines & Sabena (www.svagroup.org)
- TUI Belgium (TUB)
- Eurotrans (BCS DHL)

more info can be found at:

http://www.ivao.be - Belgian division website
http://www.ivao.aero - main website
http://forum.ivao.aero - huge community forum


make sure you indicate "newbie" in your flightplan in the beginning - ATC will act accordingly and provide help if needed

[stroman]

Hi,

I do like online ATC with ivao. It's very realistic regarding to procedures and you're talking to real people instead of a computer. What I don't like however is the sometimes 'dead' atmosphere you get at an airport. if you're the only one departing from a certain airport it is to silent to be realistic. And I always turn off my AI-traffic so I won't run into them.

A very good alternative for online-atc I often use is Radar Contact. They have just released version 4 and I must say it is impressive. Check out www.jdtllc.com for mor info, or visit their forum on www.avsim.com.
Regarding to procedures it's a 100x more accurate than FS ATC. You can use sid's and star's, be instructed to fly holding patterns, you can declare an emergency etc.


grtz,

stroman

[omag]

If you're not happy about the default flightplans, created by FS when planning an IFR-flight, you can always create your own. Anyone noticed that no matter where you want to go in America, departing from Europe, FS-flightplans will take you over Alaska? What's that all about!

Anyway, I don't have that much experience on creating these plans, but it can be done. ( I like to fly VFR in smaller aircraft)

There are also many third party add-ons that let you create real life plans.

Cheers,

Omag

[twinsen]

Yesterday, I experienced something weird at EHAM. I was waiting for my turn to take off, there was only one plane (US Airways 767 I think) ahead of me. I was watching the skies, looking for planes to land on the same runway, while ATC was giving permissions to land to airplanes clearly way too close behind each other. As a result, the last two planes had been ordered to fly by.

The first fly by was fun to see, but two in a row isn't very realistic I think? I'm pretty new to FS, does this happen a lot? Other than that, I have no problem with FS ATC.. As I'm still learning, it's the best I have before I go flying online..

[Sebas]

Hello twinsen,

AISmooth will fix your problem with the AI aircraft.

You can find it here: http://www.sg-flightware.de/

Regards ,
Sebas

[twinsen]

Hello twinsen,

AISmooth will fix your problem with the AI aircraft.

You can find it here: http://www.sg-flightware.de/

Regards ,
Sebas

Good stuff... good stuff! tnx!