EAT Business

Mavke · Post by **Mavke** » 01 Dec 2005, 06:30

Hi ,

most likely the 757's OO-DPF and OO-DPB wil leave EAT
but not sure ... only my thoughts

As a DHL Ramp worker i can tell you that the planes are sometimes more then "FULL LOADED" !
i dont mean over the limits but full containers and bellies ...

so i can only say " its a very good idea "

but i would look for B767SF as the A300B4 are quite old.... or are they cheap in maintenaince???

Kenny

FlightSimCrew · Post by **FlightSimCrew** » 01 Dec 2005, 07:51

I wouldn't have a clue from a freighter business side. On pax jets they are quite expensive due to age and fuel burn although the seat cost is 'quite' competitive versus other NG/Airbus.. Espcecially if you could deploy these on long trunck routes as AYT-ADB-TFS-... they are quite profitable..

concordino · Post by **concordino** » 01 Dec 2005, 09:45

@ Mavke

Why those 2 particular aircraft? Are they different from the rest of the 757 fleet?

Concordino

btw spell check your titles as well as the text - BUSINESS not bisness

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Dec 2005, 13:35

Are you saying that 2 B757's will leave for 2 bigger planes ?

Chris

earthman · Post by **earthman** » 01 Dec 2005, 15:08

Avro wrote:Are you saying that 2 B757's will leave for 2 bigger planes ?

I would certainly hope so, if they are shipping so much cargo that the pilots have to sit on top of it..

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 01 Dec 2005, 16:28

It is due to the fact that there are 2 routes with increasing load so the B757SF is not big enough anymore. The A300B4 is a logic choice as we already operate them. Ok they are old, but cheap thats a fact. They also investigate the possibilities to upgrade the nav systems of all the A300's to get rid of the INS and install FMS.

Regards,

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 01 Dec 2005, 16:59

Why not the new freight version of the B777F? Remember the talks when DHL announced that they wants to expand on BRU. The government was asking at DHL, EAT, to replace the fleet by B777.

In that time, I believe, there was no plan that Boeing going to make a freight version of this airplane. But in meanwhile it is.

It's just a thought.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Dec 2005, 17:12

pilatus wrote: They also investigate the possibilities to upgrade the nav systems of all the A300's to get rid of the INS and install FMS.

Get rid of INS ??? And replace it with IRS to combine IRS and GPS ??

Don't the A300 have an FMC yet ???

Chris

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 01 Dec 2005, 17:17

Get rid of INS ??? And replace it with IRS to combine IRS and GPS ??

Indeed, most of them have still INS, thought only 3 maybe 4 have FMS.

B777???, please read my post correctly, the A300b4 is cheap
I don't understand why a lot of people on this forums always think that buying new planes is the same as buying new shoes.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 01 Dec 2005, 17:20

pilatus wrote:
Get rid of INS ??? And replace it with IRS to combine IRS and GPS ??
Indeed, most of them have still INS, thought only 3 maybe 4 have FMS.

Thanks for the clarification Pilatus.

BTW are there many A300B4 available on the second hand market ?

Chris

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 01 Dec 2005, 17:25

Aircrafts will come from the States. They never flew for DHL, so normally they will be painted yellow just as DLC.

Mavke · Post by **Mavke** » 01 Dec 2005, 19:08

Hi ,

yes i know, my english is not that perfect , after using the spellcheck it was more F.... up .

about the 757's i think the DPF and DPB are the oldest 757's in the EAT fleet . Pilatus can correct me if i am wrong.

another question that pilatus maybe can answer :
why are they using always or most time the OO-DLJ on the Line BRU -BGY - TLV is this because he has other engines or something ... ?

ken

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 01 Dec 2005, 19:21

OO-DLJ is a B757PF with a higher max TO mass. The B757Sf of EAT are rated at 100T MTM, the ones of DHL air UK 93T MTM. DLJ has a MTM of 115T if I'm correct.
The A300B4 is rated at 165T MTM.

Payload is almost the same for the B757 and the A300, it is the volume that is much higher on the latter and the reason of the swap.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 01 Dec 2005, 22:26

If we read the posts about the replacement of the two B757 and the arrive of two bigger airplanes, it's still "if" and "I think", it's not official that there will be a replacement. You can not expect that if you see with you own eyes that one or two aircrafts are to heavy loaded they will replace it.

And if so, they will stay here for a short time. With the movement at 2008, EAT will base only 5 or 6 aircrafts at BRU and this for short trips.

So, let us wait for an official statement of the company itselfs.

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 01 Dec 2005, 23:00

This is official, as employee I'm official informed of this. And what is this rumour of 5 or 6 aircrafts based in Bru after 2008?
After 2008 the main operations will move to Leipzig, Bru will stay as a sub hub and will have about 5 to 6 inbound/outbound flights in the evening and again in the morning. It is just as it already goes in the other sub hubs (Cph,Cgn,Ema,Vit and Bgy). And the replacement is because we need more volume on some routes.

[Moderator Brubiac changed the text : Pilatus, please don't use the "S"-words in the forums, thanks ]

Lutonavia · Post by **Lutonavia** » 02 Dec 2005, 05:51

Would EAT ever consider buying Russian Ac, is the tu-204 cargo aircraft slightly bigger then the 757? Could replace it. TNT operate one if im not mistaken.

I read recently Channel Express is giving up operating its A300'S maybe they could possibly be purchased?

pilatus · Post by **pilatus** » 02 Dec 2005, 12:00

There is already an Tu aircraft flying in wet lease for DHL. It flies every day to Moscow. It looks like a B757. The pilots are incredible, they disappear regular times to shop, specially alcohol. It is way cheaper in Belgium.
The aircraft looks very nice, never went in it but maybe next week I will ask to have a look.

Greets,

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 02 Dec 2005, 15:50

The problem with the TU-204 is its performance I think. It has a lower range and I don't think it can transport as much payload as the B757 ?? It also bruns much more fuel AFAIK

Chris

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 02 Dec 2005, 17:17

The rumour to put 5 to 6 airplanes at BRU was given by DHL itselfs.

So I can conclude that DHL is again spreading false rumours or they give false information to the employees. I'm not surprised about that.

And Pilatus think about 1 year ago and further what the DHL board lies to the employees. That was big time!!

And about a sub hub. Leipzig will use BRU for some flights, that's all.

Lutonavia · Post by **Lutonavia** » 02 Dec 2005, 17:23

Wow intresting i thought the TU204 was bigger then the 757.