IST-BRU SN3268 10 Nov: drunken pax tried to open a door

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earthman wrote: On another note, can anyone provide me with some information concerning the safety mechanism which prevents the in-flight opening of emergency exits which open outward? Like the 737NG? There is such a system, right???
I couldn't find the entire answer you're searching. Some emergecny doors are however of the plug-type like the cabin doors, while others are non plug-type and have a mechanical device to keep the door in place.
Any help would be appreciated.

When you open the emergency exit doors you have to pull them inside and then throw hem away outside don't you ? I mean they are bigger then the hole aren't they ? if yes they are plug-type doors and the safety mechanism is of the same principle as cabin doors.
I always try to know everything and in the other case I always think I know everything.
Since you know every detail of that flight can you give us the registration for the record ? ;)

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MD11 man,

Yes correct! One question: were you on board as well or do you work for SN in the office? By the way strange that you know my real name because in my profile there is nothing....
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Avro wrote:
earthman wrote: On another note, can anyone provide me with some information concerning the safety mechanism which prevents the in-flight opening of emergency exits which open outward? Like the 737NG? There is such a system, right???
I couldn't find the entire answer you're searching. Some emergecny doors are however of the plug-type like the cabin doors, while others are non plug-type and have a mechanical device to keep the door in place.
Any help would be appreciated.

When you open the emergency exit doors you have to pull them inside and then throw hem away outside don't you ? I mean they are bigger then the hole aren't they ? if yes they are plug-type doors and the safety mechanism is of the same principle as cabin doors.
I specifically mean the non-plug variety. The emergency overwing exits on the 737NG are hinged at the top and swing outwards and up after you pull the handle. The only thing keeping them shut is some sort of latch, and I'm wondering what, if anything, prevents them from being opened when the cabin is pressurized. I must say I'm not a big fan of fool-proof laws of physics being replaced by a mechanical device, which can malfunction, or have design flaws.

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Well I can't help you out with the mechanical device of the unplugged types. Sorry
Maybe someone who has some manuals of the B737NG ?


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The technical discussion is beyond my possibilities,

but the plane involved in this particular incident was a A319, not a 737.

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I would have thought that the air over the fusalage would prevent even an upward opening door from opening.

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Yes correct! One question: were you on board as well or do you work for SN in the office? By the way strange that you know my real name because in my profile there is nothing....
Dre, were you perhaps travelling on a standby basis?

Apparently MD11-er has access to a database of some kind. Therefore I would believe that SN has developed a database that keeps track of the booking history of each and every flight. This database can be useful for various operational and commercial departments. Within the database you can sort the data of a flight according to various parameters. If you sort the data according to booking class, then you can find the C pax listed on top and standby pax on the bottom of this list. Perhaps you were the only standby passenger, such that -by guessing that you were booked standby- it was not difficult to spot your name. However I am surprised that this database apparently also keeps a history of the assigned seat of every passenger.

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Bowlie wrote:I would have thought that the air over the fusalage would prevent even an upward opening door from opening.
The same pressure that keeps plug-type hatches shut, will actually help to open the hinged ones. Recall several incidents with the 747's outward opening cargo doors accidentally opening in mid-air.

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LX-LGX wrote: but the plane involved in this particular incident was a A319, not a 737.
Yes we know it was an A319 but he asked the question for the 737NG.
Recall several incidents with the 747's outward opening cargo doors accidentally opening in mid-air.
That's why the FAA asked several years ago that every B747 gets its cargo doors changed..

Anyway we are getting off topic here.

Let's continue to talk about the incident in this topic as from now again.
If someone wants to talk about doors feel free to open a new topic.

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off topic, but a reply to previous posts about this subject:


some journalists even don't know the difference between a detour and an emergency:

http://www.novinite.com/newsletter/print.php?id=55172


Sepp Blater Plane Makes Emergency Landing in Sofia

2005-11-13

The plane carrying FIFA President Sepp Blatter had to land in Sofia Sunday evening, instead of in Macedonia. Thick frog over the neighbour country did not let the machine land there, the Bulgarian National Television disclosed. If weather improves, Blatter will fly for Macedonia early on Monday, and return to Bulgaria several hours later, the report said.

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Thick frog over the neighbour country
Was it a stupid frog or jut a big one?

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doctor v, open the link:

it's Sofia News Agency who says there are flying frogs !

can a frog strike damage an engine ?

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LX-LGX wrote:doctor v, open the link:

it's Sofia News Agency who says there are flying frogs !

can a frog strike damage an engine ?
Given that frogs sometimes get sucked up into the air and rain down elsewhere, I think it would not be unthinkable that a plane would get into trouble if it flew into a cloud of such frogs.

But a single frog into a jet engine, I think it would come out on the other side all baked and ready for consumption. :-) The new Air France economy class in-flight meal?

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