List of new and likely long-haul brussels routes

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Nov 2005, 11:24

Correct, nog codeshare with SNBA. I hope that they are satisfy about BRU, and also important, BRU is cheaper then our neighbour airports. That's maybe also important in a time when the fuel is very high and airlines have to cut costs.

RCV · Post by **RCV** » 05 Nov 2005, 12:04

Atlantis wrote:Etihad have plans to start up next year with flights to New York. Maybe via BRU?

This flight will be a direct one... Their newly ordered B777-300ER/A380 have to do the job...

Be realistic!

RCV

B737229 · Post by **B737229** » 05 Nov 2005, 12:46

As RCV quoted, it will be a direct flight! Both the A380 and 777ERs have the range to fly the 6000nm flight, and it is also a matter of prestige to fly to NY, direct

teach · Post by **teach** » 05 Nov 2005, 15:51

And let's also not forget EY has orders for the A340-500 as well, which is designed specifically for such long flights.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 05 Nov 2005, 21:43

I will make my earlier post a little more clear. EK is for the moment in talk with CDG to make a stopover for it's flights to San-Francisco.

EK will also make a stopover at FRA for it's routes to South-America.

EK is flying with big equipment and even they are thinking to make a "possible" stopover.

The competitor of EK is EY, so why would they not use BRU for their new flights to the USA? It's just a thought, discussion, I'm not saying that they have to choose for BRU, if they have the aircrafts to do this route direct, nice for them. Realistic or not, why would an airline not chose to make from Europe their stopover place and serve from there the rest of the world.

Look at the plans of Hainan, it's just the same. Coming from China and make from Europe their hub to express the rest of the world.

andong · Post by **andong** » 06 Nov 2005, 07:59

Atlantis wrote:@Andong,

Do you know when the delegation of Hainan will come to BRU. I hope that they this time get a solution. Hainan had big plans at BRU.

They'll be in BRU on the 16th of November

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 06 Nov 2005, 10:25

Thanks for the info Andong

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 06 Nov 2005, 21:17

On 9 september 2005 I started a new topic about three new exotic destinations from Zaventem. But I can also place two of them in this topic.

From 18 december 2005 Thomas Cook start in co-operation with Martinair flights ex-Bru to Colombo and Phuket. You can already, some weeks ago, book your flights to those destinations.

For the Maldives we have to wait a little bit more.

So, good news, two more destinations.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 08 Nov 2005, 19:14

It's now official that our delegations at China had talks with Hainan Airlines to organise direct flights between Peking and Zaventem.

Like member Andong said we can expect also a delegation of Hainan at Brussels this month.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 10 Nov 2005, 17:17

Prime minister Guy Verhofstadt had a visit today in Japan. One of the headlines was that there is a need for a direct connection between Japan and Belgium. This is generally asked by multinationals and minor companies. With this connections they want to attract more investors in Belgium.
At the moment Japan is the biggest foreign investor in Belgium with 200 companies and 50 companies with a European headoffice in Brussels.

fostro · Post by **fostro** » 10 Nov 2005, 18:35

I read today in De Standaard (Flemish newspaper) that a direct flight from Brussels to Japan is being investigated. According to Premier Verhofstadt, both Belgium and Japan are very interested in a direct connection between both countries.

Let's wait and see how long the investigation will take... It's getting time to get rid of overcapacity problems @ BRU! BIAC is making a lot of losses due to this problem, isn't it?

But another problem why it takes so long for new routes is, to my opinion, the political games which are being played about Brussels Airport: the complaints of surrounding villages and... the always changing dispersion plan... talking about flexibility...

sukiyaki · Post by **sukiyaki** » 10 Nov 2005, 21:06

Atlantis wrote:Prime minister Guy Verhofstadt had a visit today in Japan. One of the headlines was that there is a need for a direct connection between Japan and Belgium. This is generally asked by multinationals and minor companies. With this connections they want to attract more investors in Belgium.
At the moment Japan is the biggest foreign investor in Belgium with 200 companies and 50 companies with a European headoffice in Brussels.

Will most probably be a code share operation with SNBA. However I wonder who on the Japanese side will be most interested in flying to BRU : JAL or ANA ? :cheers:

regi · Post by **regi** » 10 Nov 2005, 21:23

It will be Sushi Airlines
for their plane, it are all twin engines, look at:

http://www.micom.net/oops/AussiePilotPropellerStory.jpg

snowflake · Post by **snowflake** » 11 Nov 2005, 11:17

Some info:

It is for 90% sure now that no direct line between BRU and NRT will open up before 2008. NRT, because other destinations are not profitable. And not before 2008 because 1) ANA will send its 4th daily flight between JP en EU to another city and will have no extra planes available before 2008 (B787). 2) JAL will anyhow not open new lh destinations in EU because its financial situation and an already overcapacity to EU.
In about 3 months we will have 100% certainty, as than the new flightdestination for ANA will be announced. The operations would start somewhere in 05/2006. The 10% chance is linked to the high yields that are produced in BRU...

SF

Vinnie-Winnie · Post by **Vinnie-Winnie** » 11 Nov 2005, 14:25

snowflake wrote:ANA will send its 4th daily flight between JP en EU to another city and will have no extra planes available before 2008 (B787).

That's a long wait for everyone!

Anyway if the 787 is as economically efficient as Boeing makes it out to be well maybe a direct BRU link might make sense. But as my Dad told me before he flew quit a few times in the 80's to Narita for business with SN and he always ended up sleeping in Economy since Business class was absolutely full!

If this might be the case again who will fly in Economy? Japanese tourists looking for a cheaper fare? In that case the only hope is to have BIAC reducing dramatically it's charges and to follow Dublin's example...

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 11 Nov 2005, 15:14

It's better that we can wait a few more years and know that an airline from Japan will come to BRU then the knowledge that there will be no airline at all.

Look at Etihad and Jet Airways: for Etihad it was a year we had to wait and for Jet Airways it will be 1,5 year.

That's the problem, you depend on third parties. We don't have Belgian airlines who flies to those destinations and in my opinion it will not happen.

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 11 Nov 2005, 21:26

It's better that we can wait a few more years and know that an airline from Japan will come to BRU then the knowledge that there will be no airline at all.

Look at Etihad and Jet Airways: for Etihad it was a year we had to wait and for Jet Airways it will be 1,5 year.

@Atlantis,
You're 100% correct with this statement.
But in the current aviation world, years are centuries. Every six month the aviation landscape changes... companies go bankcrupt or melt together. To say that BRU will get a NRT connection in 2008, is the same like saying we will solve the traffic problems on the BRU ring in 2050.
BRU needs an important asia connection now (2006) and not in 20.. ?

That's the problem, you depend on third parties. We don't have Belgian airlines who flies to those destinations and in my opinion it will not happen.

For the first time our delegations (federal and flemish) have success in asia. (They've learned from their mistakes in the past.)
One of the reasons why they visit asia is to find foreign companies to link BRU with asia. I think it should be better if these (delegation)people would find BELGIAN companies to invest further in SNBA so they can deploy a modest but real international network. (and no "fake codeshare" network)

I know this is just nobel thinking because it's very clear --> there's not one Belgian company prepared to invest 1 € in aviation.
I can only say one thing to Belgium... "m'n oogst hetgeen met gezaaid heeft".

And like Atlantis said... It's better to have hope than to find no hope at all.

greetings,
ATC

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 11 Nov 2005, 22:13

You are correct ATC, BRU can't wait until 2008 or later to get it's connection with Asia. How longer you wait how stronger competition, etc.
But, if ANA or JAL have some ops or fianacial problems you can not force that of course.

The fact is the businessworld here in Belgium is asking for that connection, they need it very badly.

We will see what the delegation of Hainan Airlines next week at BRU will bring.

Next year, mister Verhofstadt planned a new trip to the USA and Europe: with the same vision. Attract more investors to Belgium.

sukiyaki · Post by **sukiyaki** » 13 Nov 2005, 11:45

Atlantis wrote:You are correct ATC, BRU can't wait until 2008 or later to get it's connection with Asia. How longer you wait how stronger competition, etc.
But, if ANA or JAL have some ops or fianacial problems you can not force that of course.

The fact is the businessworld here in Belgium is asking for that connection, they need it very badly.

We will see what the delegation of Hainan Airlines next week at BRU will bring.

Next year, mister Verhofstadt planned a new trip to the USA and Europe: with the same vision. Attract more investors to Belgium.

It would be interesting to know the results of his last mission to Asia. Maybe JAL or ANA might be interested in making BRU their European hub (big cost cutting !) In that case SNBA could be an ideal European (and African) feeder. Sounds utopic but that might be a logic step after relaunching a direct flight between BRU and Japan.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 13 Nov 2005, 14:02

I don't think we will see very soon a Japanese carrier at Bru. But BIAC want then sooner then 2007 at BRU. So maybe could they give, together with Macquarie Airports, some good reasons to start flights to BRU.

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