TUI announces to start a new airline !?!

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 14 Oct 2003, 20:07

TUI Belgium announced today they have plans to start a new airline for their charter operations.
They'll begin operations with two airplanes...

The information about this topic is very little now, but TUI said it will continue to cooperate with Sobelair.

I think this will be the first steps to create a company that will buy Sobelair in the near future.

We'll see...what happens.

greetz,
ATC

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 14 Oct 2003, 20:41

Keep tuned, I'm working on a post about this!

I'm afraid this is the end for SLR

Frederic

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 14 Oct 2003, 20:44

ATC wrote:TUI Belgium announced today they have plans to start a new airline for their charter operations.
They'll begin operations with two airplanes...

And one of the planes will be OO-VAC

Chris
8)

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 14 Oct 2003, 20:45

Sabena_690 wrote: I'm afraid this is the end for SLR

I hope not

I've never flown with them and I still hope to be on one of their planes on day

Chris
8)

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 14 Oct 2003, 20:55

I got a press release this evening about a new airline being set up by TUI Belgium.

I translate the important points:

x airline will be launched in April 2004, nicely timed with the Eastern holidays
x 2 aircrafts will serve a part of the Jetair destinations (Jetair is a Belgian tour operator, member of the TUI Group)
x 70% of the Jetair flights are currently operated by Sobelair. In the press release, Jetair claims that the 2 additional aircrafts are rather seen as a back up in case something happens with a partner airline, and to cope with the increasing demand. Not mentioned in the press release, but a personal thought: SLR is in serious financial difficulties. I think they are just waiting till SLR is bankrupt to take over all their flights

TUI wanted to take over SLR some time ago, SLR refused. The consequence will be a bankruptcy I'm afraid...

Regards
Frederic

gliding-glider · Post by **gliding-glider** » 14 Oct 2003, 21:28

Thks for the info already.

Where can we find this press-release?

Greetz

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 14 Oct 2003, 21:52

My oppinion is that Sobelair will disappear and that a new Belgian airline will be born Named TUI Belgium and that this company will use the aircrafts and staff of Sobelair.

Greetz,

Dave

ATC · Post by **ATC** » 14 Oct 2003, 22:19

x 70% of the Jetair flights are currently operated by Sobelair. In the press release, Jetair claims that the 2 additional aircrafts are rather seen as a back up in case something happens with a partner airline, and to cope with the increasing demand. Not mentioned in the press release, but a personal thought: SLR is in serious financial difficulties. I think they are just waiting till SLR is bankrupt to take over all their flights

I agree...
They'll wait until Sobelair is very weak and than take over the SLR-planes, the SLR-people and the SLR-routes.
I think the Sobelair management allready knows about this senario:
- the bleu airplanes ?

- the strange depart of the CEO yesterday ?

Something is going on with Sobelair.
April 2004... The End ...

greetz,
ATC

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 14 Oct 2003, 22:36

sabena_690 wrote: I'm afraid this is the end for SLR
This is something certain members have mentioned already
several times recently.

In fact they said it a bit differently: 'Sobelair (especially the pilots)
are/is following this same path as Sabena. Sobelair's basis has
always been similar to Sabena.'

Lien !

flywim · Post by **flywim** » 14 Oct 2003, 22:38

I just hope Sobelair will survive until summer , cause
I just signed (last monday) my contracts with Sobelair
to work for them from 9 feb- 19 jun. (Stage)

Please, Please, Please, let them survive!!!!

But then again, They were optimistic at Sobelair and didn't
mentioned any serious problems in the near future. And I don't
think they would sign the contract, if they were failing for bancruptcy,
they know how important it is for me!!! (positive for them, they don,t
have to pay me!!

)

So, let's stay optimistic!!!

OO-VEX · Post by **OO-VEX** » 14 Oct 2003, 23:05

Hello,

I've a question about the Sobelair long-haul charter operations:
I think i once red that SLR is flying those destinations for both Thomas Cook and Jetair. Who can confirm this?

IF CONFIRMED

As the future for Sobelair doesn't look bright i would like to have your opinion about how the touroperators can cope this problem if Sobelair will fail one day.
A possibility is that both are flying the routes on their own, which means less frequencies. But that means they need wide-body airplanes which can't fly the whole week out of BRU, as they are too big for the regular charterflights.

OO-VEX

Post by **sn26567** » 15 Oct 2003, 09:58

To me, as things stand now, Sobelair will merge with Birdy. That will make it stronger: the owners of Birdy have a lot of cash at hand resulting from the sale of their "City Hotels" chain.

The lease contracts with DSF will soon expire and new contracts will be negotiated.

Sobelair will continue to work for TUI (and Thomas Cook for long haul destinations). There is no immediate danger in the house. Let's be optimistic.

Post by **sn26567** » 15 Oct 2003, 10:11

ATC wrote:They'll wait until Sobelair is very weak and than take over the SLR-planes, the SLR-people and the SLR-routes.
I think the Sobelair management allready knows about this senario:
- the blue airplanes ?
- the strange depart of the CEO yesterday ?
Something is going on with Sobelair.
April 2004... The End ...

A very pessimistic view, as I just wrote in the previous message.

Blue airplanes? Like MNG and others that are also working for JetAir.
The departure of the CEO? He remains in the board and the executive office will be shared now between A Vastapane, L Mellaerts and D de Patoul. Simply Vastapane will now have more power to bring the pilots to a more reasonable stand.
April 2004: A new departure of a stronger Sobelair!

Flybe · Post by **Flybe** » 15 Oct 2003, 11:32

Personally, i think that that is a very optimistic view, a little bit too optimistic in my opinion. Nothing against Sobelair, but the company is struggling, struggling very much even...

This morning on the news (studio brussels) if i heard correctly (i was just waking up) they even said that TUI decided to start their own airline just because they expect SLR to go bancrupt. Also i heard that TUI will do most of the shorthaul flights with their own airline, leaving just the longhaul flights for sobelair. I seriously doubt if that is viable for sobelair, it would push them in a lot of troubles.

But then again, that is just what i heard on the radio, being half awake. I haven't read the press-release that Sabena_690 is talking about, but i would trust that press-release more then the radionews. So i would love to read that press-release, if someone can tell me where to find it! (Maybe i'll find it quickly, i'm just online and didn't start searching yet)

Greetings to all,

Pieter

Post by **airbuske** » 15 Oct 2003, 12:01

Maybe can TUI lease 2 planes from SLR so that SLR recieves some money

Greetings

Airbuske

Andries · Post by **Andries** » 15 Oct 2003, 12:37

In this topic you read everything; SLR goes bankrupt, SLR is bought by another company, SLR this, SLR that. We can only guess what will happen. Everything can change if even something small happens. I'd say, let SLR be and we'll just see what happens. If they survive, we'll get a new charter airline (the TUI-airline). This would create a lot of new jobs ! If they go bankrupt, we'll get another one instead. Let's just hope that the SLR-staff will then be employed by that new airline, so we don't get the same (smaller) scenario as with Sabena.

Greetz,

EBOS

Post by **sn26567** » 15 Oct 2003, 12:51

We will know more about the future of Sobelair after today's board meeting.

Flybe · Post by **Flybe** » 15 Oct 2003, 12:51

Of course EBOS, you're right, we don't know and we are just guessing. But nevertheless nice to talk about it and share opinions, no? SLR won't care about anything said here anyway

SLR or TUI, i don't really mind what it will be (maybe both, who knows), i just hope that they will be (or become, in SLR's case) healthy, profitabe airlines, so we can enjoy them for a long time to come.

Greetings,

Pieter

Post by **airbuske** » 15 Oct 2003, 13:13

EBOS wrote:If they survive, we'll get a new charter airline (the TUI-airline). This would create a lot of new jobs !

TUI Belgium thinks that they need 60 people ( cabin and cockpit crew )
that's what I read in Het laatste nieuws.
Not so much.

Greetings
Airbuske

SLR001 · Post by **SLR001** » 15 Oct 2003, 18:50

Well , please STOP a little bit dreaming with totally NON-SENSE things !!!

This post made me really become angry , that's really bad to say so s**** thing about something you don't know. Pfffff

That's worst than the press , men , stay awake !!!

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