Some countries already have blacklists

LX-LGX · Post by **LX-LGX** » 30 Aug 2005, 21:20

Italy also has a blacklist now. The Flemish newspaper De Tijd says there are four charter companies on it, and two freighters:

Hemus Air (Bulgary)
Kuban Airlines (Russia
Gee Bee Air (Greece)
Ozu Avia Air Company (Kazakhstan)

BGB Air (Kazakhstan)
Gst Aero Aircompany (Kazachstan)

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 30 Aug 2005, 23:55

A little bit off-topic:

The "Union belge contre les nuisances des avions*" (UBCNA) contests the belgian blacklist comprising 9 airlines, saying the list should be spead to "other suspicious airlines".

*belgian unity against airplane noises

Regards

Seb.

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 31 Aug 2005, 12:31

I didn't read all posts (:oops: I don't have the time) but this is what I have to say:

First of all the Belgian blacklist IS a joke. 2 Airlines mentioned on the list don't exist anymore and one airline on the blacklist still flies in our country.

Furthermore they seem to concentrate on Cargo Airlines, but I thought they wanted to publish a blacklist so the pax know which airline they should avoid. Pax don't fly cargo do they ?

It's just ridiculous to make such lists. They should rather mkae warning lists lik they did it in NL.

Chris

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 31 Aug 2005, 14:01

What the need is an EU or European wde list - individual country lists are completely worthless. Not that I condone such practices but imagine how quickly things would be cleared if say, membership of the EU was linked to cleaning up this mess? I bet some of those Eastern european governments would jump then......

C_J · Post by **C_J** » 31 Aug 2005, 15:18

Avro wrote: Airlines mentioned on the list don't exist anymore and one airline on the blacklist still flies in our country.
Chris

I suppose you're talking about 'Silverback Cargo'. This is indeed correct: there are still 5 flights a week to BRU by this carrier. I don't think this will last very long: action groups are already protesting about this...

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 31 Aug 2005, 16:32

Thai airline banned in France will cut routes, charter flights: report

Bronca des mécaniciens d'Olympic Airlines sur la sécurité des vols

Regards

Seb.

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 31 Aug 2005, 20:20

Silverback is already grounded (confiscated) since quite some days, so the blacklist was to late to "get" her (=kick her out)

Post by **sn26567** » 01 Sep 2005, 08:52

Silverback flew last to Brussels on 22 August.

Pluto777 · Post by **Pluto777** » 01 Sep 2005, 16:53

you must make your accusations hard with hard evidence,

What do you mean with "hard evidence"... photos perhaps ???

Lack of maintenance happens all over the world ! The west-european countries do have the best scores, I don't argue with that, but what I saw in Ostend (a few years ago - African aircraft - repaired with scrapheap-part) was reality !

As I already mentioned, blacklists are not the solution to make safety better, better would be to decrease the unattended technical inspections on planes; if serious malfunctions are discovered, or malfunctions that have been ignored over a certain period, the company (not the captain) gets high financial penalties; that would really hurt companies that are ignoring the safety.

Ovostar · Post by **Ovostar** » 01 Sep 2005, 17:59

in Switzerland there is 2 airlines in the black list: Flash Airlines and Air Van Airlines

Rago · Post by **Rago** » 01 Sep 2005, 20:38

Pluto777 wrote:What do you mean with "hard evidence"... photos perhaps ???

Lack of maintenance happens all over the world ! The west-european countries do have the best scores, I don't argue with that, but what I saw in Ostend (a few years ago - African aircraft - repaired with scrapheap-part) was reality !

1st paragraph : I think I answered already that question in earlier postings so just have a look at them again.

2nd paragraph : Sorry my friend but to me you are as guilty as the guys who ordered you to do those repairs. You were in the position to report those criminal things, why didn't you?

To me discussion is closed because we're getting

fftopic: here.

TC-MNE · Post by **TC-MNE** » 10 Sep 2005, 10:38

http://www.turbulentie.nl

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 16 Sep 2005, 22:39

Camair is now blacklisted by french DGAC (.pdf)

Seb.

yagoceron · Post by **yagoceron** » 16 Sep 2005, 23:24

Because Cameroon Airlines is in the French back list, an AF flight to Cameroon had to return to CDG as Cameroon authorities denied it authorization to land in that country.

Isn't that behaviour childish and stupid?

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 17 Sep 2005, 02:11

yagoceron wrote:Because Cameroon Airlines is in the French back list, an AF flight to Cameroon had to return to CDG as Cameroon authorities denied it authorization to land in that country.

Air France decided to return to CDG by themself. They feared the plane could be grounded after landing in Cameroun. Actually, Camerounean governement isn't involved in that.

Regards

Seb.

Bowlie · Post by **Bowlie** » 19 Oct 2005, 08:57

Hate 8O to prolong this thread but forum members may be interested in this editorial in Air Transport World

The answer? Safety - NOT. Politics, what else?

5Y-KQV · Post by **5Y-KQV** » 19 Oct 2005, 11:10

These blacklists do not make much sense to me in the state that they are in. In my view, it is simply not enough to place airline A is a blacklist without any information on what infringment the airline or its national regulatory authority may have done.

I think the lists should be more informative. If an airline is guilty of faulty maintenance, then that should be cited alongside the airline. In this way, I hope we can separate the real safety issues from political ones.

Cheers,

Walter.

Aviation24.be

Some countries already have blacklists

Air Transport World editorial