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Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 13 Oct 2003, 18:45

André: I would really avoid making generalisations between Sabena and SN Brussels management...

They proved their competence already I think...

744rules: you know so much about cargo I thought you would be able too to answer this question, that's why I referred to you

Regards
Frederic

777 · Post by **777** » 13 Oct 2003, 19:21

sabena_690 wrote: André: I would really avoid making generalisations between Sabena and SN Brussels management...
The similarities between Sabena and SNBA are much larger than people know or think. So the future might ....(use imagination)

sabena_690 wrote: Guys, I personally find it very disturbing to read all those colours, so please write in black except when you want to highlight something.
The word 'personally' looks to me as a far subjective opinion.
So far I considered and appreciated Luchtzaks technical adjustments
for its objectiveness.

I was always thaught to be as objective as possible when you have to
handle large crowds, like happens in aviation.

Andre

Sabena_690 · Post by **Sabena_690** » 13 Oct 2003, 19:24

André,

1) You've got mail
2) When I posted this reply, I hadn't seen the topic of Avro yet. There I made a decision: no colours. This decision is supported by Bart. I honnestly don't see the difference between mine and Bart his reply.

Frederic

777 · Post by **777** » 13 Oct 2003, 19:53

We don't seem to be on the same wavelength.

I don't contest your decision, one has to respect leaders.

But I was just using my freedom of speech to cast my opinion.

Andre

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 13 Oct 2003, 22:07

luchtzak wrote:Sad news for SN Brussels Airlines again I hope they can find a replacement aircraft soon or that they repair the broken engine soon... Otherwise our good African profits could drop, my concern...
greetings, Bart :rock:

I agree with you Bart, this was also my first concern: cancelled flights cost money.
That's why I said: The footing of the bill will matter for discussion
SNBA is outsourcing a lot of services, and is dependining on these companies.
How are these conracts?
Will SNBA be able to recup the loss?

I do not like to see long time efforts vanish because of such an incident.

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Oct 2003, 09:49

Today, 14/10/2003, the A330-300 of SN Brussels Airlines coming from Dakar via Banjul landed safely at 03:52 under flight number SN 1204.

Everything is back on track.

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Oct 2003, 09:54

sn26567 wrote:Everything is back on track.

Uuhhh! Almost.... The two available A330s will be flown, hopefully on time, on the following regularly scheduled routes

10:20 Nairobi via Kigali SN 465
11:00 Kinshasa via Douala SN 351

And then comes a surprise:

Flight SN 1205 / AA 7443 to Conakry via Dakar is delayed from 12:10 to 17:00 and will be flown by a ... A310-300. From which airline ????

777 · Post by **777** » 14 Oct 2003, 11:06

sn26567 wrote: Today, 14/10/2003, the A330-300 of SN Brussels Airlines coming from Dakar via Banjul landed safely at 03:52 under flight number SN 1204.

Everything is back on track.

Why ,was there a problem ?

Andre

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Oct 2003, 11:40

777 wrote:Why ,was there a problem ?

Didn't you read the first messages of this thread? Unfortunately, cyriusvirus edited the first two where he related possible problems (bird strike) on a SN A330 at DKR.

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 14 Oct 2003, 13:26

Help called in from Air France mecanic was not granted.

Does anybody know why this happened ?

Lien !

Post by **sn26567** » 14 Oct 2003, 13:32

Lien wrote:
Help called in from Air France mecanic was not granted.
Does anybody know why this happened ?

I guess AF was only too happy to pick up pax from a competitor!

SkyJet · Post by **SkyJet** » 18 Oct 2003, 23:54

Here's the story about Sabena's A330 and the engines...

At the time (early 1994) the A330 became available, it was the A330-300 model.
Sabena ordered it powered by the GE (General Electric) CF6-engines, since other aircraft in the fleet were also powered by GE CF6 (DC-10, 743).

(It's no secret that the Pratt & Whitney PW4000 is more fuel-efficient but less reliable.)

Then Swissair stepped in. Swissairs widebodyfleet was powered by Pratt & Whitney (MD-11, A310, 743).
Sabena/Swissair ordered the longer-range A330-200 which became available in 1998, so for reasons of fleet commonality it would be powered by the PW4000.

OO-SBZ · Post by **OO-SBZ** » 19 Oct 2003, 01:37

luchtzak wrote:Sad news for SN Brussels Airlines again I hope they can find a replacement aircraft soon or that they repair the broken engine soon... Otherwise our good African profits could drop, my concern...

greetings,

Bart
:rock:

All SN BA fans hope so too Bart!
Its is a real pity / shame that they do not have an agreement with SLR or any other European company to get a 'spare' plan ASAP in such circumstances.

I can imagine that big airlines (AF, LH, KL or BA) have planes grounded due to over-capacity... and would like to rent one of them ... even to a competitor

Ben

bravo767 · Post by **bravo767** » 22 Oct 2003, 14:48

lumumba wrote:Hi everybody.
The problem with the 200 was also the front wheel is not turning very well so they can not make a U turn if there is no taxiway's.(like in some African airport's)
Regards
Patrice

I did not see that post earlier!!!
I don't know by memory all the radius angle for the A340/A330 fleet and those have been changing regularly since the landing gear collapse of A340 OO-SCW, landing at BRU returning from a JFK flight. Airbus found that there was a stress induced by many tight U-turns and then decided to reduce the radius angle. Following several modifications, that radius angle has been improved on most of the A/340/330 fleet. On all the African destinations there is a turning pad at the end of the runway sufficient for a U-turn for the A330-300 or -200 (I flew both during my Sabena time). The only place where it remains very tight is FIH (Kinshasa): no turning pad but runway width of 60m. In the best conditions we need 54m, but when the runway is wet..... Air France slipped out not long ago. (It happened also with Sabena on DC10, B747 and A340). You end in the mud, airport closed for several hours....lots of paper work....

Happy landings.

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 22 Oct 2003, 14:59

bravo767 wrote:I don't know by memory all the radius angle for the A340/A330 fleet and those have been changing regularly since the landing gear collapse of A340 OO-SCW, landing at BRU returning from a JFK flight. Airbus found that there was a stress induced by many tight U-turns and then decided to reduce the radius angle.

Hi bravo767,

What's the connection between "front wheel radius angle' and the "OO-SCW" accident.

Anyway that accident's cause has never been very clear to me.

Nearly the whole landing gear broke off at an airport like EBBR ?

In Africa yes, but Brussels ???

Lien !

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 22 Oct 2003, 15:57

The only place where it remains very tight is FIH (Kinshasa): no turning pad but runway width of 60m. In the best conditions we need 54m, but when the runway is wet..... Air France slipped out not long ago

Why don't they just build a turning pad if they have that many problems due to the sharp U-turn.

I mean wouldn't it be cheaper to build one than to keep it like that and have all the problems of a closed airport

Ciao
Chris
8)

Lien · Post by **Lien** » 22 Oct 2003, 16:31

Why don't they just build a turning pad if they have that many problems due to the sharp U-turn. I mean wouldn't it be cheaper to build one than to keep it like that and have all the problems of a closed airport
Do not forget, we're not in Europe.

Lien !

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