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Last edited by cyriusvirus on 13 Oct 2003, 18:42, edited 1 time in total.
Latest infos on Dakar SNBA bird strike.
During landing the A330 hit bird.
SN Brussels Airlines SN4V 203 OP
BRU, Brussels, Belgium 12:25 Yoff (DKR), Dakar, Senegal 16:25 Non-stop 333 6h00min on Sunday OCT12.
The bird might have been a vulture or a hawk. Both birds species do not fly very high @ that hour of the day, which leads me to the conclusion that the hit was airborn close to ground or even an intake when rolling out.
The engine did not shut down.
Arriving passenger were not aware of any problem.
After ground check feathers where discovered, but no blades were damaged. Remaining of the bird might obstruct the compressure.
The belgian mecanic @ DKR (BOOY) is not licensed for these repairs.
Help called in from Air France mecanic was not granted.
Outgoing passengers lay over expenses are at charge of the carrier, as at that time boarding passes and baggage claim tags were already handed out.
Meanwhile Biac maintained the arrivals of 204 as follows:
Brussel Info 13 Oktober 2003 02:30 7 °C
13/10 07:30 Banjul AA 7446 06:40
via Dakar
13/10 07:30 Banjul SN 204 06:40
The footing of the bill will matter for discussion:
a non-licenced mec.
an aircraft operated by 4V, BIRDY AIRLINES S.A.
a code share SNBA with AA.
SN Brussels Airlines SN4V 203 OP
BRU, Brussels, Belgium 12:25 Yoff (DKR), Dakar, Senegal 16:25 Non-stop 333 6h00min on Sunday OCT12.
The bird might have been a vulture or a hawk. Both birds species do not fly very high @ that hour of the day, which leads me to the conclusion that the hit was airborn close to ground or even an intake when rolling out.
The engine did not shut down.
Arriving passenger were not aware of any problem.
After ground check feathers where discovered, but no blades were damaged. Remaining of the bird might obstruct the compressure.
The belgian mecanic @ DKR (BOOY) is not licensed for these repairs.
Help called in from Air France mecanic was not granted.
Outgoing passengers lay over expenses are at charge of the carrier, as at that time boarding passes and baggage claim tags were already handed out.
Meanwhile Biac maintained the arrivals of 204 as follows:
Brussel Info 13 Oktober 2003 02:30 7 °C
13/10 07:30 Banjul AA 7446 06:40
via Dakar
13/10 07:30 Banjul SN 204 06:40
The footing of the bill will matter for discussion:
a non-licenced mec.
an aircraft operated by 4V, BIRDY AIRLINES S.A.
a code share SNBA with AA.
Why do they always have problems on their big "birds" (bad word game 
I know).
I suggest they start up the engine and run it at full power until a roasted bird comes out, just right for dinner-time!
Seriously now, that's really bad luck now espeacially because they only have two 330's left! Could this mean they'll have to charter a plane from somebody else? (A L-1011 from EuroAtlantic perhaps
) 
I hope it does not disrupt their service too much, and that next time they'll have a licensed mechanic
ciao,
TriStar 8O
I know). I suggest they start up the engine and run it at full power until a roasted bird comes out, just right for dinner-time!
Seriously now, that's really bad luck now espeacially because they only have two 330's left! Could this mean they'll have to charter a plane from somebody else? (A L-1011 from EuroAtlantic perhaps
) I hope it does not disrupt their service too much, and that next time they'll have a licensed mechanic
ciao,
TriStar 8O
- As I mentioned already earlier in 'Birdy A330 having problems':
777 wrote: This brings again a problem to my mind which I have never unstood.
Why has SNBA Birdy never taken the aircraft A330-200's OO-SFP, OO-SFT and OO-SFU instead of the M, N & O. I know it are the only 3 of 4 -300's but are smaller planes not better and have a greater autonomy ?(In the case of SNBA)
It is better to have TOO MANY pax than TOO FEW.
They have chosen the oldest A330's in the fleet, where as VG Airlines took the most recent ones.
In my mind VG Airlines didn't have many problems with them.(Q, R & S)
Nobody replied to my question ?
Andre
- 777 wrote: As I mentioned already earlier in 'Birdy A330 having problems':
777 wrote:
This brings again a problem to my mind which I have never unstood.
Why has SNBA Birdy never taken the aircraft A330-200's OO-SFP, OO-SFT and OO-SFU instead of the M, N & O. I know it are the only 3 of 4 -300's but are smaller planes not better and have a greater autonomy ?(In the case of SNBA)
It is better to have TOO MANY pax than TOO FEW.
They have chosen the oldest A330's in the fleet, where as VG Airlines took the most recent ones.
In my mind VG Airlines didn't have many problems with them.(Q, R & S)
Nobody replied to my question ?
I wonder why there is no reply to such an interesting question of 777 ????
63
Andre,777wrote wrote:As I mentioned already earlier in 'Birdy A330 having problems':
777 wrote:
This brings again a problem to my mind which I have never unstood.
Why has SNBA Birdy never taken the aircraft A330-200's OO-SFP, OO-SFT and OO-SFU instead of the M, N & O. I know it are the only 3 of 4 -300's but are smaller planes not better and have a greater autonomy ?(In the case of SNBA)
It is better to have TOO MANY pax than TOO FEW.
They have chosen the oldest A330's in the fleet, where as VG Airlines took the most recent ones.
In my mind VG Airlines didn't have many problems with them.(Q, R & S)
Nobody replied to my question ?
First of all I don't think that those engine problems are related to the fact that the 300's are older. Bird's don't choose their target, do they
I also think (but who am I
) that it would have been better to have some 200's because they have a greater autonomy and are able to take more cargo (I think 
) but Birdy vertainly had a good reason to take the 300's As for the engines I don't know if the CF6-80E1A2 is more reliable than the PW4168A
Let's ask the specialist out there 
I hope this will answer some of your questions
BTW I've realized that many members (777, 63, Lien ...) started to write in other colours like red, blue or green instead the normal black. Is there a reason for that
Ciao
Chris
8)
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- avro wrote: BTW I've realized that many members (777, 63, Lien ...) started to write in other colours like red, blue or green instead the normal black. Is there a reason for that
Finally someone replies to my question. Although bird strikes, engines and the plane have separate lives, planes age is important.
It is one of the reasons why many didn't understand Sabenas replacement of Boeings by Airbusses at the time.
The average Boeings age, in 1999 was quite low.
I think several of us started to write in colo(u)r since Luchtzak introduced us to it.
He started with some colored text recently.
Andre
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Guys, I personally find it very disturbing to read all those colours, so please write in black except when you want to highlight something.
About the question of you, 777. Please don't think that they are stupid at SN, that they voted for fun whether they would take -200 or -300.
There must be a good reason. One of them will be the additional nr of pax they can carry. LF on the Africa flights is very good, so... Further: the A333 is longer, so I assume that it can take more cargo? Maybe 744rules knows more about the correct cargo capacity?
The range is no issue here, since the A333 goes far enough for the destinations served by SN.
Regards
Frederic
About the question of you, 777. Please don't think that they are stupid at SN, that they voted for fun whether they would take -200 or -300.
There must be a good reason. One of them will be the additional nr of pax they can carry. LF on the Africa flights is very good, so... Further: the A333 is longer, so I assume that it can take more cargo? Maybe 744rules knows more about the correct cargo capacity?
The range is no issue here, since the A333 goes far enough for the destinations served by SN.
Regards
Frederic
Brussels Airlines - Flying Your Way
Less than 10 years is not old. It is also probably a question of money: a used aeroplane costs much less than a new one in the overcrowded second-hand market.Lien wrote:I am also interested in having a complete answer to 777's question. Why such old planes?
The problem of A333 vs A332 has already been debated elsewhere in this forum, but I can't retrieve the exact place.
André
ex Sabena #26567
ex Sabena #26567
Not overcrowded for the B777, there aren't any available since (except some few for a very short time) the production start in 1995.sn26567 wrote: Less than 10 years is not old. It is also probably a question of money: a used aeroplane costs much less than a new one in the overcrowded second-hand market.
Not old ,they are older than any of the more than 450 B777's in the air.
So all B777's are nearly brand new.
A330 SNBA:
OO-SFM c/n 30 delivery flight 180394
OO-SFN c/n 37 delivery flight 301293
OO-SFM c/n 45 delivery flight 210294
they are amongst the oldest 330's ever built !?
Lien !
- The problem with the 200 was also the front wheel is not turning very well so they can not make a U turn if there is no taxiway's.(like in some African airport's)
Front wheel seems also to be a 330 problem. It was also seen in VRT 'Zaventem (het leven..)' program.
In the same program series they also had an engine problem.By opening pieces fell all around. It didn't look very reliable.
Lien !
I hope they can find a replacement aircraft soon or that they repair the broken engine soon... Otherwise our good African profits could drop, my concern... 
