Today (Sunday 18 Sept 2005), there is another big delay for the ex-Varig 767-300:
arrivals 18/09 Punta Cana via Puerto Plata TUB8602 763
06:50 scheduled
20:55 delayed
The plane left for the Dominican on Saturday with some 4 hours delay, and now the delay is 14 hours. So probably they had a technical somewhere last night?
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The 767 normally had to do a BRU-HRG-BRU today (Sunday), and that's a strange schedule change:
departures 18/09 Hurghada TUB7543 738
16:15 scheduled
13:30 early
Will TUB (Jetair) be able to contact all passengers?
If you look at www.biac.be/departures, you will notice 2 identical flights. Are they going to put the pax from the one 763 into two 737's?
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Last edited by LX-LGX on 01 Oct 2005, 20:59, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: 18/09 : TUB 763 delayed 06h50 --> 20h55
1: The travel agency doesLX-LGX wrote: 1) Will TUB (Jetair) be able to contact all passengers?
2) If you look at www.biac.be/departures, you will notice 2 identical flights. Are they going to put the pax from the one 763 into two 737's?
2: if they can't find another plane, they will have to... they can't pospone that flight!!!
HRG will leave on time: the announcement that the flight would leave at 13h30 and not 16h15 is gone from biac.be
Jetair-pax on TUB-flights come from three different sources:
1. direct bookings, through Sunjets
2. direct bookings, through TTC / TUI Travel Center (travel agencies)
3. bookings from other travel agencies
I assume they've tried to contact their direct clients and travel agents, but soon had to realise it would be impossible to contact all of them. It' not a huge problem if you cannot advise all 175 pax that their flight is delayed: those who don't know it, will find out at the airport. But if you want your flight to leave 3 hours earlier, you have to contact all 175.
Jetair-pax on TUB-flights come from three different sources:
1. direct bookings, through Sunjets
2. direct bookings, through TTC / TUI Travel Center (travel agencies)
3. bookings from other travel agencies
I assume they've tried to contact their direct clients and travel agents, but soon had to realise it would be impossible to contact all of them. It' not a huge problem if you cannot advise all 175 pax that their flight is delayed: those who don't know it, will find out at the airport. But if you want your flight to leave 3 hours earlier, you have to contact all 175.
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Just heard on the news that OO-TUC is stuck in Newfoundland (Canada) with technical problems. A crew of mechanics is on its way to Canada but the plane will probably still stand there for a while.
The plane was on his way with 250 passengers. 100 are in a hotel, the other 150 are still at the army base.
Problems Problems
Greetingzz
Sonny
The plane was on his way with 250 passengers. 100 are in a hotel, the other 150 are still at the army base.
Problems Problems
Greetingzz
Sonny
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on vtm news 13:00
http://www.vtm.be/nieuws/index_bekijkonline.htm
http://www.vtm.be/nieuws/index_bekijkonline.htm
It already started Saturday morning. Two of the stranded passengers phoned home, and their daughter has contacted VTM. This is what she said:
- they had to leave from Brussels on Saturday morning 09h00, but the departure was delayed by one hour: technical problem. Then another hour, then two more hours. But then they've left.
- during the flight, pax noticed that electronics weren't working: there was no music and no movies
- then, the emergency lights went on - out - on - out
- then the pilot told us there was also a problem with the navigation equipment, forcing him to divert to the military airport from/at Goose Bay, Newfoundland (Canada)
- their luggage is still on the plane, first drink had to be paid, possibility to take a shower (but in public showers), one telephone call was allowed.
TUB told VTM that a plane with assistance (staff ? equipment ?) was on his way to Canada. They had no idea when the plane would continue to the Dominican.
Which means : 250 pax delayed on their first day of their holiday, and another 250 pax delayed on their return flight.
VTM (commercial Flemish television) has started "4040": people who have breaking news can mail or cell-phone this to 4040.
- they had to leave from Brussels on Saturday morning 09h00, but the departure was delayed by one hour: technical problem. Then another hour, then two more hours. But then they've left.
- during the flight, pax noticed that electronics weren't working: there was no music and no movies
- then, the emergency lights went on - out - on - out
- then the pilot told us there was also a problem with the navigation equipment, forcing him to divert to the military airport from/at Goose Bay, Newfoundland (Canada)
- their luggage is still on the plane, first drink had to be paid, possibility to take a shower (but in public showers), one telephone call was allowed.
TUB told VTM that a plane with assistance (staff ? equipment ?) was on his way to Canada. They had no idea when the plane would continue to the Dominican.
Which means : 250 pax delayed on their first day of their holiday, and another 250 pax delayed on their return flight.
VTM (commercial Flemish television) has started "4040": people who have breaking news can mail or cell-phone this to 4040.
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They are not loosing clients because Jetair have already the clients. This is the big difference now. For example, Sobelair could loose clients because they had to fight for every client. Now you have Thomas cook and Jetair. And both of those touroperators have their own airline. So they don't loose clients.
What Jetair had to do is looking for good equipment and get rid of those junk of other airlines.
What Jetair had to do is looking for good equipment and get rid of those junk of other airlines.
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yes, but that's not what I wanted to say... I don't think lots of tourists who are in canada now, will again book their holiday with Jetair... They will try Thomas Cook... they will avoid flying with that plane...Atlantis wrote:They are not loosing clients because Jetair have already the clients. This is the big difference now. For example, Sobelair could loose clients because they had to fight for every client. Now you have Thomas cook and Jetair. And both of those touroperators have their own airline. So they don't loose clients.
compare Martinair - TUI airlines...
Seems to be a generator problem according to VTM news.
Families with children went to a hotel. Other people had to stay in the cold airport.
Typical is that the plane shown on the news was a Jetair 737.
Families with children went to a hotel. Other people had to stay in the cold airport.
Typical is that the plane shown on the news was a Jetair 737.
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return."
On 9th January 2005, the international press reported: "...ILFC had asked Varig to give back 11 Boeing jets because of failure to keep up with lease payments. It also accused the airline of stripping some of its aircraft for spare parts, and failing to carry out proper maintenance..."
"Failing to carry out proper maintenance"... For those who are new on this site: this TUB-plane, OO-TUC, is the ex-Varig PP-VOL.
Of course Varig denied ILFC's accusations: you can read their reaction on:
http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M09 ... 00781.html
"Failing to carry out proper maintenance"... For those who are new on this site: this TUB-plane, OO-TUC, is the ex-Varig PP-VOL.
Of course Varig denied ILFC's accusations: you can read their reaction on:
http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M09 ... 00781.html
VTM is a source of news you should indeed not trust. That "4040" thing says enough about the level of sensation (and profit) they want to create.MD-11 wrote:Seems to be a generator problem according to VTM news.
Families with children went to a hotel. Other people had to stay in the cold airport.
Typical is that the plane shown on the news was a Jetair 737.
I think this issue is overdramatized, these are things that can happen to every well-maintained airplane, the length of the route is a contributing factor. Every aircraft experiences a failure en route one time or another.
The reaction of the crew is actually the most importent item in that video, not the blabla from - i can't look at his face - Verstraeten or the complaining of the daughter. The crew made the right decision and I assume the safety of the passengers was at no point into danger.
We should however wait on more information from an official source (means no daughters or sons) before drawing any conclusion. As far as I know TUI, these passengers will arrive at their destination very soon.
I assume I will read all about this issue in the other source of Flanders sensational news, HLN, on board of my SN flight later today.
Don't shoot the messenger ! I'm not going to defend VTM, but they are free to bring the news they want. And today's news was that a Belgian plane with 250 Belgian tourists, on their way to the Dominican, had to divert to a military airport in Canada because of quite serious technical problems.
There was no insinuation "it's the OO-TUC once again", VTM never said passengers were in danger, and there was no remark "sooner or later...". Even more: the daughter didn't said "noodlanding" (emergency landing): she said the pilot told the pax he preferred to divert to Canada.
It is what it is: pax phones daughter, daughter phones VTM, VTM interviews daughter.
This plane needs a D-check asap, no matter when the previous one was.
There was no insinuation "it's the OO-TUC once again", VTM never said passengers were in danger, and there was no remark "sooner or later...". Even more: the daughter didn't said "noodlanding" (emergency landing): she said the pilot told the pax he preferred to divert to Canada.
It is what it is: pax phones daughter, daughter phones VTM, VTM interviews daughter.
This plane needs a D-check asap, no matter when the previous one was.
departures 19/09 :
TUB8103 Montego Bay via Punta Cana 763
08:00 scheduled
18:00 delayed
( source: www.biac.be/departures )
TUB8103 Montego Bay via Punta Cana 763
08:00 scheduled
18:00 delayed
( source: www.biac.be/departures )