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Question about Saudi Arabian 747 Cargo see recently in BRU

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I was reading a report from DAT202D on Luchtzak.

He took a picture of a Saudi Arabian 747 Cargo in BRU. From the picture (see below) you can see that the top deck/bubble of the 747 has 2 windows visible and the rest covered. Does this mean the resting area for the Cargo staff is very small or that the fuselage paint has just covered those windows.

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How much resting space do the staff typically have in 747 Cargo's and how many people work on board (including pilot)?

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Captain,

This is not a picture taken at BRU but OST. Saudi Arabian is flying with their B747 on OST and only with their MD11 they are coming to BRU.
Reason: they can fly with the B747 also at night. This is not allowed at BRU.

About the number of seats, persons on board. It depend, I know when we handled the aircrafts there is place for 12 people. But is doesn't mean that on every flight the seats are taken.

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As far as I know the entire upper deck is a space were the crew can relax, and where a few other people can travel.

Why they removed all but 2 windows ? I don't know maybe for cost saving measures....

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Sorry it is OST, what was I thinking.

Thanks for the info. I guess they would have a hard time trying to bring up cargo for the top deck so might as well use the entire space for the crew.

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How much resting space do the staff typically have in 747 Cargo's and how many people work on board (including pilot)?
Standard crew is 1 captain, 1 first officer, 1 flight engineer and 1 loadmaster (used to be lot's of belgians)

If horses are carried, there are also grooms on board
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This is an opportunity to also ask something about the B747 cargo's upper deck.
On the passenger version, there are stairs to get up onto the upper deck but looking at pictures of cargo B747's, there seems to be no stairs.
So how does the crew get up there then? Do they have a rope, or winch or whatever to get up? :wink:

Thanks in advance!

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They go up with a ladder!!

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Yes, there is a ladder. A very small. When the crew entered the airplane they come into the cargo version. In front of them is a very steep ladder.

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there is a retractable ladder to get acces to the upperdeck. It is retracted when loading thru the nose cargo door
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/889198/L/

In this picture you can see that ladder, it's on the right side.

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Thanks for the answers/picture guys! :wink:

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to be more specific....depends on the airline howmany seats they leave on the upper deck..mostly 8 to 12 ..2 windows basicly means 8 seats(4 left and 4 richt)and after those seat there is a seperate compartment with 3-4 beds for the crew to rest...this for long flts with a double crew :wink:

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On the picture, the windows have been painted only, not removed. it's usual on freighters (see also ex-combis). Concerning the ladder, you can find other models. The CI ladder is LH oriented but you can find a rear oriented ladder on classic freighters.

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747-400 hv them even in the direction of the door :wink:

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As stated above, the ladder on the -400 is towards the door because this a/c can accomodate one more pallet on the maindeck (30pllts iso 29pllts).

The ladder on the -400 is much more comfortable.
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A bit of a climb, then :wink:

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744rules wrote:As stated above, the ladder on the -400 is towards the door because this a/c can accomodate one more pallet on the maindeck (30pllts iso 29pllts).
Yes, the B747-400 SF will be able to carry one more pallet too.

Q: So why the CI B747-400 F got a sided ladder? Are all the newers -400 F like this, or is it the airline's choice?

(I tend to think it's the airline's choice)

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HorsePower wrote: Q: So why the CI B747-400 F got a sided ladder? Are all the newers -400 F like this, or is it the airline's choice?
The ladder you here is standard on all 747-400F. On the -200/-300 you face the nose cargo door when climbing the ladder. This type slides into each other (2 parts), and the -400 version bends together.
Both types are pushed upwards until in the locked position when required.

I've got a few days off now, but when back at work I will try to get some drawings or pictures of both types.
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