The Arizona Republic has written an article about the evacuation slides and the fact they were made by Honeywell here in Phoenix. It doesn't really go in to detail, but I'll keep my eye out for anymore news about the slides in the local newspaper here.
As the investigation unfolds into the accident of the Air France's Flight 358 in Toronto on Tuesday, the performance of the inflatable evacuation slides made in Phoenix likely will come under scrutiny as well. While the chutes undoubtedly helped passengers escape a burning plane, some reports from those aboard said one emergency slide failed to open and another became tangled during activation, forcing some passengers to jump 15 feet to the ground. Officials at Goodrich Aircraft Interior Products in south Phoenix confirmed they made the slides but referred all questions about its product to Air France.
USAtoday and CTV Canada carry the story:
The Airbus landed further down the runway from where a similar jet would normally land. Too fast and too long.
Real Levasseur said the plane landed longer than normally, or longer than usual for this type of aircraft,
The AF A340 was nearly halfway down the runway before it touched down.
All thrust reversers on all four engines were in operation and were working fine.
The A380 appeared unable to stop and was still travelling at about 150kmh when it left the end of the runway.
Flight 358 used an earlier type of black box that Canada does not have the decoding equipment for, and therefor was sent to France to access key data documenting the moments before the crash.
Thirty-seven investigators are looking into why the airliner skidded off a runway.
Passengers have started to contact lawyers.
Toronto lawyer David Diamond said one family of five wants to sue Air France.
I guess more will follow, as will do other people or companies thatsuffered delays caused by the mishap..
SN30952 wrote:
The A380 appeared unable to stop and was still travelling at about 150kmh when it left the end of the runway.
That would be kind of amazing if it was an A380!
I think it is stupid of these people to sew the airline. They should be happy to be alive and cheris that! I mean the crew really did something great! They saved all the souls on board! That's amazing in this situation!!
SN30952 wrote:The A380 appeared unable to stop and was still travelling at about 150kmh when it left the end of the runway.
That would be kind of amazing if it was an A380! I think it is stupid of these people to sew the airline.
Of course it was an A340, Waldova.
But please explain how one sews an airline, because sew means: to use a needle and tread to join pieces of cloth together, would that help the A340???
SN30952 wrote:Of course it was an A340, Waldova.
But please explain how one sews an airline, because sew means: to use a needle and tread to join pieces of cloth together, would that help the A340???
The two pilots in command and the cabin crew were experienced Air France staff.
The 57-year-old captain joined the Company in 1982 and logged more than 15,000 flight hours, including 1,000 on Airbus A340.
The 43-year-old first Officer joined Air France in 1985 and logged 10,700 flight hours, 2,500 of which were on Airbus A340.
Without blaming anyone: isn't it standard procedure that a captain takes control in case of emergency, technical problems or severe weather ? I know that both pilots have the same skills, but just as a matter of responsible behavior ?
Quote: "A class-action lawsuit has been filed in Ontario Superior Court accusing Air France, Toronto airport authorities and the control tower of negligence."
This is one of those many rumours that has been launched by one of the 10.000 journalists, reporting on the incident. This time, it's a journo from a local radio station who wants to put himself in the spotlight. It's the same kind of rumour that the plane landed in the middle of the runway. If a pilot, in final approach, even thinks this could happen, he has enough time left for full power and flaps down.
Look at what Het Laatste Nieuws is making of this new story: "Een inwoonster van het Canadese Toronto heeft in collectieve naam bij het Hooggerechtshof van Ontario klacht ingediend tegen Air France, de luchthavenautoriteiten van Toronto en de uitbater van de controletoren. De drie wordt nalatigheid verweten bij het ongeval met de Airbus A 340 van Air France vorige dinsdag, zo meldde Radio-Canada zaterdag. Het vliegtuig ging van de piste, duikelde in een ravijn en brandde uit. Als bij wonder overleefden alle inzittenden het ongeval. In de klacht wordt 75 miljoen Canadese dollar of zo'n 50 miljoen euro geëist van Air France, de luchthavenautoriteiten van Toronto en de uitbater van de controletoren. "Het is mogelijk dat één van de drie een rol heeft gespeeld bij het ongeval", zo stelde de advocaat van de klaagster tegenover Canadese media. (VRW, belga)". Short translation: "A Toronto citizen has sued Air France, the airport authorities and the owner/manager ("exploitant") of the control tower. It's possible of these three was involved in the incident, the lawyer of the plainter said to Canadian media."
Let's be serious please: a Canadian citizen, not involved in the incident, who wants 75 mio CAD from AF, from YYZ and from ATC??? We all know what's now going to happen, don't we? The legal department of AF will, in collaboration with it's insurers, contact all passengers and propose them an indemnity fee. Most of the the passengers will accept the offer, and some will prefer a judgement in court.
And within a few months, Canadian Air Transport Safety Board will publish a report on the incident. The insurers from AF, Airbus and YYZ will then hold a meeting behind closed doors to discuss a settlement.
If there's no news, journalists will make it. Just look at the title of this topic: "skidds off the runway". For journalists, the incident is a "crash".
Meanwhile, a passenger has filed a class-action lawsuit against Air France, Toronto airport authorities and a Canadian private air navigation service, accusing them of negligence, the Toronto Star reported.
The suit, filed Friday, asks for $62 million. An Air France spokesman declined comment on the lawsuit.
TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Investigators trying to determine why an Air France jet skidded off a runway said Saturday that only four of the aircraft's eight doors and emergency exits were used to escape the burning jetliner, and that two emergency slides malfunctioned.
cageyjames wrote:The Arizona Republic has written an article about the evacuation slides and the fact they were made by Honeywell here in Phoenix. It doesn't really go in to detail, but I'll keep my eye out for anymore news about the slides in the local newspaper here. http://www.azcentral.com/business/artic ... tes04.html
As the investigation unfolds into the accident of the Air France's Flight 358 in Toronto on Tuesday, the performance of the inflatable evacuation slides made in Phoenix likely will come under scrutiny as well.
Levasseur told a news conference: "We're very much interested...in finding out why they didn't work before we get rid of the wreck." Two experts from the manufacturer of the slide and one from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board were on site looking at why the slides didn't work as advertised, Levasseur said.
Levasseur also said he didn't think a sudden storm-produced microburst - a very small cell of intense downward wind - caused the plane to crash.
A runway expert from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration is working with the Canadian team: "If there was hydroplaning, it didn't last very long."
He reasoned that there wasn't enough damage done to the plane's tires to indicate the four-engine jet skidded along because of the water. Hydroplaning, he said, usually causes the water underneath a plane to boil, melting parts of the tire.
Only two members of the crew, the captain of the plane and a flight attendant, remain in Toronto. The captain is still recovering in hospital.
Levasseur told a news conference: "We're very much interested...in finding out why they didn't work before we get rid of the wreck." Two experts from the manufacturer of the slide and one from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board were on site looking at why the slides didn't work as advertised, Levasseur said.
Half of the doors working.
Evacuation in 90 seconds
Half of the doors working of.... used.
Perhaps, the crew decided to evacuate on on side and not on both sides due to fire?
Early conclusions..... bad conclusions
Was there a disagreement between the captain & the co-pilot?
Who was flying the landing? At least one expert familiar with preliminary data from the ground radar at Toronto's Pearson airport believes the aircraft actually accelerated briefly after landing -- as though a "go-around" was initiated, before hard braking was resumed.
The flight crew was fully aware of the weather conditions.
Neither the pilot, nor co-pilot, have been identified.
The co-pilot has returned home after meeting with investigators.
The captain, who suffered back injuries, spoke to investigators this weekend.
I'm told the discussion was very frank and very honest Mr. Levasseur said.
Note: Knowing their adagio: Nier tout, toujours... The French are specialists in cover-ups: it took them 20 years to admit the Rainbow Warrior case...
Wait and see, how long this will take to know the truth and nothing but the truth.
At least one expert familiar with preliminary data from the ground radar at Toronto's Pearson airport believes the aircraft actually accelerated briefly after landing -- as though a "go-around" was initiated, before hard braking was resumed.
Such a comment is f.....
Wind can do it (see earliers posts with the brutal change on windspeed and or direction.
Note: Knowing their adagio: Nier tout, toujours... The French are specialists in cover-ups: it took them 20 years to admit the Rainbow Warrior case...
Wait and see, how long this will take to know the truth and nothing but the truth.
Nier toujours..... and the shortcut to the rainbow warrior are political discussions about fact very difficult to confirm.
In the case of AF, we have documents and technical analyses. Nier toujours cannot in this case..
Info say the insurance will pay approx. 150mEUR
Some 108m will go for the A340, between the owner of the aircraft and Air France.
The remaining will go to the passengers, it is said as compensation to the 297 passengers and 12 crew members who escaped the crash.
Air France paid so far between 2,000 and 2,500 EUR to the passengers for first necessities. (Note Air France destroyed their luggage).
Air France will also have to compensate the cargo.
No mention is made of the damage caused to the airport environment, nor the cost of the rescue.
