Website is new tool to report Brussels Airport noise

MKAirlines · Post by **MKAirlines** » 14 Jul 2005, 22:21

blackhawk wrote:

Wel, go to these new neighbours and talk with them about the noise and why they want to live near the airport. It's their shoice to live there and I really hope they don't start complaining.

Why so we can have a big arguement and those people are not gone move

JM · Post by JM » 14 Jul 2005, 22:26

elnombre wrote:JM
Lots of people come to live in Kraainem and complain about the noise. They don't all work for the EU and yet you single out this particular section of society.
I suspect your (unfortunately all too common) prejudices are showing here.

-> Predjudice ? come on by, I'll show you around.

Although I am no supporter of the noise complainers I can see their point of view.
Your bigotted diatribes will make it so easy for these people to dismiss you that it does your cause no good whatsoever.

-> I agree with your first two sentences but you might want to do some research on how many days we have landings on 02. Not many ... You have more planes above your village coming in for 25 ( yes, ok, they're much higher in the air ).

The only way to beat NIMBY's is with reason and patience not intemperate, insulting rantings.
Best Regards
El Nombre
Someone who is getting increasingly disillusioned with the standard of debate on this site...

-> Sory I can't seem to have reached 'your standards'.

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Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 14 Jul 2005, 22:32

I understand what MKairlines said.
I also know a story of new habitants in the neighborhood of Zaventem. They build a house and even before they live in that house they signed petitions against the airport. This is an example how selfish people are.

I think that we all can write books for this topic because we are anger on those people who don't understand what it means " an airport", they don't have interest that the airport of Zaventem is the second largest economical pool of Belgium. But now, they have made it or they are ambicious and they can moved to a foreign country for their work. And we in Belgium who lived near Zaventem and earn our money on this place: we are the bad guys.

JM · Post by JM » 14 Jul 2005, 22:39

yeah well, it's a neverending discussion. I just hope people will soon realise what they're dealing with, it's a very large network of many, many companies and employees.

I'm actually wondering how people in LHR, CDG,... are handling the fact of an airport being nearby.. I'll be doing some research on that bit.

Greetings,
JM

elnombre · Post by **elnombre** » 14 Jul 2005, 22:41

JM
My standards are not particularly high,perhaps yours are especially low. My family are about to move to Wezembeek. I am already aware that we are not welcome (Being foreigners and working for a european organisation) I jwas just hoping that people are a little more tolerant than you appear to be.
The fact that the Anciaux plan moved goal posts is what has upset most people and frankly I sympathise. This is entirely politically motivated and that is what has annoyed people.
Rest assured I shall not be complaining about the noise.
No regards
El Nombre

JM · Post by JM » 14 Jul 2005, 22:54

elnombre wrote:JM
My standards are not particularly high,perhaps yours are especially low. My family are about to move to Wezembeek. I am already aware that we are not welcome (Being foreigners and working for a european organisation) I jwas just hoping that people are a little more tolerant than you appear to be.
The fact that the Anciaux plan moved goal posts is what has upset most people and frankly I sympathise. This is entirely politically motivated and that is what has annoyed people.
Rest assured I shall not be complaining about the noise.
No regards
El Nombre

From my point of view you're taking this far too serious. They are nice people, don't be mistaken, they're good neighbours, but when they see a plane and I come out onto the street, where will we talk about? That's whats disturbing me quite a bit. Did anyone hear me say they are not welcome here or in Wez-Op ?

I will be keeping my mouth shut about this now, not everyone can agree with someone else, that's how people are.

No regards here either.

Lyulka · Post by **Lyulka** » 14 Jul 2005, 23:27

What I think is strange is that some of his measurements only take 5 seconds, and others 2 minutes. Does this thing reacts on the barking of his dog or road traffic perhaps?

Flying-Belgian · Post by **Flying-Belgian** » 15 Jul 2005, 09:16

I can't believe what I'm looking at 8O 8O 8O 8O

I'm really fearing for my country's perspectives when looking at that !!!

Are there people stupid enough to spend their time like this ?!?

Poor Belgium.

Post by **sn26567** » 15 Jul 2005, 09:30

elnombre wrote:El Nombre
Someone who is getting increasingly disillusioned with the standard of debate on this site...

So am I, elnombre.

Instead of posting well-argumented data, many of our readers resort to insult and hatred. I hope for a little more serenity.

About the inhabitants of Tervuren, Kraainem and Wezembeek-Oppem: they had no problem until 1999, so there was no reason not to live in these charming villages. Runway 02/20 was used only when wind dictated its use. Then the various governments that ruled Belgian afterwards decided this should change and everybody should have his share of the noise. I can perfectly understand that the inhabitants were not happy.

It is not at all the same for the Noordrand: I went to live in Neder-over-Heembeek knowing perfectly well that I would have to endure the noise of aeroplanes and I accepted it. Unlike Bert Anciaux's brother who is the lawyer for these complainers...

Flying-Belgian · Post by **Flying-Belgian** » 15 Jul 2005, 09:56

Dear André,

I'm willing to stay polite and quite and moreover I know very well you are the kind of person with whom we can have a fair debate. But still, I will never admit the complaints of people living in the Eastern area of Brussels. Living next to a runway, you always have to admit that the "wind" can change quickly !!! Airport's expansion, new route, ... the risk always exists !! Moreover, and knowing very well this area, the region is not in such a bad condition !! No more Belgians can afford buying real estate there as it is the most expensive area of Belgium with Knokke !! AFAIK, the Eurocrats living there never started complaining about that issue... and this according to most real estate agencies of Woluwé-Kraainem !! Strange isn'it ??
All this reflects a very poor mentality. Like sending letters of warnings/threats to compnaies aiming to invest in Belgium (Hainan...).
I've been in the Netherlands, last week and acknowledged in Schiphol what a "winner mentality" is. However, I still believe many people here have this mentality but tend to be in the shadow of poor people like those inhabitants... The media's fault ? I don't have a single clue.

FB.

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 15 Jul 2005, 16:45

I think we are not alone with this problem. When you have a look at Schiphol: the last weeks it's also a problem, can the airport expand or not. If not, then they have to reduce the flights, etc. So, in Holland the same problem. Also the use of the runways, when can the fly on which runway? And they received also a lot of complaints. So, there is not much different then our airport of Zaventem.

Londen Heathrow: the same problem. Years ago huge crowds of people demonstrates againts the expansion of the airport and the noise problem. And I think - I'm quit sure - that this airport is closed during the night.

So, every big airport has is own problems and you can find the red line in the whole story.

killerwhale65 · Post by **killerwhale65** » 15 Jul 2005, 16:55

what about the plan they had years ago to build a new port in the Northsea, to serve England, Belgium and the Netherlands. A second airport in BE might not be the solution, but what about one new airport for 3 countries? Because all three (London, Brussels and Amsterdam) have expanding problems.

elnombre · Post by **elnombre** » 15 Jul 2005, 17:16

Gentlemen
I have lived around airports all my life and although I have no problem with the noise I understand many people that do.
The difference with the debate here in Belgium as opposed to other countries (I am thinking about EHAM, EGKK,EGLL and EGCC as I have direct experience of their debates) is that much of which seems to be fueled by a mild form of xenophobia rather than reasoned debate.The implication on many of the threads both here and on other forums is that it is almost wholly the fault of rich foreigners coming in and pricing poor Belgians out of their homes and then complaining about the noise, thereby threatening their jobs. The perception is prevalent (qv this thread)but the facts do not bear this out.Belgians as a nation or at least the Flemish are amongst the richest people in Europe and there are plenty of Belgians working for European Organisations. They are in fact by far in the majority where I work so we Eurocrats can hardly be said to be stealing jobs and in fact we boost the economies substantially. As for property, Brussels is still one of the cheapest capital cities in Europe even with the punitive tax rates.
Jm is right I am serious about this, if one is not then the Vlaams Belang, BNP, FN etc will make political capital from it.
Best Regards
El Nombre
PS Andre: I am in full agreement with you. And as my wife will say, that is a rare event!!!!

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 15 Jul 2005, 18:20

And again ,again, again, there was today some trouble with the diversion plan. The Noordrand get richt from the court. The court decided today the the use of 25R is not longer allowed in the weekend. They don't and they will not, the judges, understand that they will close the airport with that.

xeno · Post by **xeno** » 18 Jul 2005, 10:53

Atlantis wrote:And again ,again, again, there was today some trouble with the diversion plan. The Noordrand get richt from the court. The court decided today the the use of 25R is not longer allowed in the weekend. They don't and they will not, the judges, understand that they will close the airport with that.

Please inform yourself about the true content of the Court's ruling, because this was never ordered...

Post by **sn26567** » 18 Jul 2005, 12:53

xeno wrote:Please inform yourself about the true content of the Court's ruling, because this was never ordered...

And where else than on Luchtzak?

Atlantis · Post by **Atlantis** » 19 Jul 2005, 22:20

A man who is living in the eastern part of Brussels shot some time ago with a small pistol to a descent aircraft. Some people of the actiongroups in that neighborhood know that some people are becoming crazy.
The airplane was not hit.
www.bruairlibre.be

Maaske · Post by **Maaske** » 19 Jul 2005, 23:04

luchtzak"]A man living near runway 02/20 has a decibel-meter in his garden. That soundmeter (sonometer, or how do you call it) is linked to a computer and all statistics/sounds/time are uploaded to a website that keeps logs: http://www.wakeupkraainem.be/sonometres/

http://www.wakeupkraainem.be/

Today I feel ashamed to be in the youth council of kraainem !

Post by **sn26567** » 20 Jul 2005, 08:36

Maaske wrote:Today I feel ashamed to be in the youth council of Kraainem !

Don't be ashamed: you have a unique opportunity to act!

744rules · Post by **744rules** » 20 Jul 2005, 08:48

Found in today's edition of Het Nieuwsblad (only in Flemish)

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail ... D=GH9GHD9K

Some of those comitees threathend with dead, and now they are calling for some common sense (at last), because it's getting out of hand

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