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Post by EBAW_flyer »

Look at this: the EMB170 WILL get certification for LCY, now a VLM EMB170 looks even more realistic.

http://www.ainonline.com/Features/regio ... ar170.html
... Although certainly unwelcome news for Embraer, the delay will give it time to complete certification of the 170 for operation into London City Airport, a process that has taken longer than originally anticipated. When it signed the order contract with the airline, then known as Crossair, Embraer guaranteed it could certify the 170 for the 5.5-degree approach angle into LCY from Geneva. Now targeted for completion by the middle of next year, the LCY certification process prompted Embraer to fit the 170 with a set of ventral brakes, permanently locked for initial certification but activated for the steep approach into the noise-sensitive airport.
BTW: a ventral airbrake on the EMB170? Got to see that!!!! :D

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Post by EBAW_flyer »

And about the performance, these figures come from the embraer website http://www.embraer.com/ :
Take off field length (SL, ISA, MTOW)
5,541 ft 1.689 m
Take off field length (SL, ISA, 500nm)
3,888 ft 1.185 m

Landing field length (SL, ISA, MLW)
4,318 ft 1.316 m
knowing the RWY at EBAW is 1500m, it does have payload restrictions on takeoff.

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That 5.5 degree approach into LCY is fantastic, everyone should experience it!

At the runway end away from the terminal the aircraft goes into a sharp nose dive approach over the River Thames, and the dive continues until you are just about to land, and then the pilot pulls up just in time. I captured this on video filming with my zoom lens, a Fokker 50 (or two) of VLM landing there, and then flying back from Antwerp the other week I experienced the approach from this side. The approach from the other side is not as steep, but there is alot more sharp turning - I experienced that flying in from Brussels last year.
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Post by EBAW_flyer »

The approach from the other side is not as steep
Sorry to correct you again, but the approach at both ends is 5.5°, not just at one end. (As wel the 28 as the 10 have the same ILS freq. with the same GS angle)

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Technically yes, it is as steep from the other side, but all the turning makes it seem less so. You are turning as you descend when you are approaching to the terminal side, but when approaching over the River you are just in a steep nose dive, which makes it seem more extreme because you are coming in on a more straight run.

It's more psychological, if you know what I mean.
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Post by EBAW_flyer »

I know what you mean :wink:

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Post by Avro »

These ventral brakes sound really interesting. 8O I can't wait to see them in action :lol:

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the biggest airplane that landed in ANR was a DHL 757 (on the anniversary of the raac at antwerp) a C-130 was there to

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Avro wrote:These ventral brakes sound really interesting.
I would like to see a pic! Anyone?
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Post by Lien »

Long time no see no news on VLM ?

Have they made any plane choice yet ?

Anybody ?


Lien !

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Post by Lien »

You're laughing, but VLM is seriously considering restarting the production line of Fokker 70's.

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Post by Lars »

NO Belgian flag on VLM aircrafts!

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Post by EBAW_flyer »

No, a flemish one.

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Post by Lars »

EBAW_flyer wrote:No, a flemish one.
Indeed.

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Post by Lien »

Hallo Lars,


In fact there is no flag on VLM F50's.


proof:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?117224


Lien !

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Post by EBAW_flyer »

The flag is part of the logo. The golden lion is actually just the flag of Flanders (in the real flag, the lion is black and the flag yellow).

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Post by Lars »

Lien wrote:Hallo Lars,


In fact there is no flag on VLM F50's.


proof:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?117224


Lien !
I know! 8)

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Thank God this isn't real! :twisted:

On-topic: I really like the VLM-Airbus!! (without Belgian flag ofcourse!)
(Would love to see a VLM-A330!!) :P

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Post by 777 »

In fact the VLM c/s resembles a bit the old British Caledonian colors.

Andre

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