Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2021

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An ASL Airlines Ireland Boeing 737-400, registration EI-STI performing freight flight BCS-74R from Brussels (Belgium) to Nantes (France) with 2 crew, was climbing through FL180 out of Brussels when the crew descended the aircraft to FL100 and subsequently to FL080 due to problems with the cabin pressure and decided to return to Brussels.

More on The Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4eea7890&opt=0
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Boeing 737 MAX8 OO-TMZ already in the problems before being delivered to TUIfly Belgium?

The delivery flight JAF981F returned to Boeing Field BFI:
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sn26567 wrote: 15 Oct 2021, 12:05 Boeing 737 MAX8 OO-TMZ already in the problems before being delivered to TUIfly Belgium?

The delivery flight JAF981F returned to Boeing Field BFI:
Don't you think that posting a delivery flight delay as anomaly is a little bit sensational? I mean, technical acceptance of a factory new aircraft and delivering it to its home base is quite a responsibility. It makes perfect sense to delay this for even the slightest detail that deviates from what is expected/agreed in the contract, it doesn't even need to be safety related. Small delays on acceptance and delivery are pretty common for that reason and these happen with all types of aircraft.

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New STA for OO-TMZ tonight at 03.15.

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modeS wrote: 15 Oct 2021, 12:30
sn26567 wrote: 15 Oct 2021, 12:05 Boeing 737 MAX8 OO-TMZ already in the problems before being delivered to TUIfly Belgium?

The delivery flight JAF981F returned to Boeing Field BFI:
Don't you think that posting a delivery flight delay as anomaly is a little bit sensational? I mean, technical acceptance of a factory new aircraft and delivering it to its home base is quite a responsibility. It makes perfect sense to delay this for even the slightest detail that deviates from what is expected/agreed in the contract, it doesn't even need to be safety related. Small delays on acceptance and delivery are pretty common for that reason and these happen with all types of aircraft.
It is not only a late departure. The aircraft actually had a technical problem.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... ing-field/
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sn26567 wrote: 15 Oct 2021, 16:12 It is not only a late departure. The aircraft actually had a technical problem.
Fair point indeed. Technical problems like these can happen every now and then, statistically speaking in particular when coming from the factory or after maintenance. It isn't the first aircraft that sees its delivery flight postponed due to something like this and certainly won't be the last. This combined with your wording "already in the problems before being delivered to TUIfly Belgium?" just makes it sound a little sensational imho.

Regarding the article on the front page, maybe it's worth considering to respectively specify and correct the following items:
A few minutes into the flight, the crew called Seattle ATC: “Pan pan pan we have a technical problem“.
Upon declaring PAN PAN the crew reported flight control problems and requested a block of airspace with a vertical thickness of 4,000ft, centered around the originally cleared altitude of 13,000ft.
The replay of the flight on Flightradar24 shows that the crew had difficulties maintaining altitude and never reached FL150 requested by ATC, nor were they able to maintain FL130 instructed later to return to BFI.
  1. The part of airspace in which the aircraft manoeuvred, is situated below the local transition altitude. As such, FL150 and FL130 are not operationally available and you probably mean 15,000ft and 13,000ft.
  2. The aircraft didn't reach 15,000ft, simply because the climb clearance from ATC was amended by ATC from 15,000ft to 13,000ft initially. Under no circumstances did the crew fail to meet an instruction from ATC. Everything was properly coordinated.
  3. After the PAN PAN declaration the crew was never instructed to maintain a particular altitude because they had a block of airspace available to them, initially 4,000ft thick (11,000ft - 15,000ft), later on 2,000ft thick (7,000ft - 9,000ft and afterwards lower). As such, wording like "nor were they able to maintain FL130 instructed later" is nonsense. Here again, everything was properly coordinated. Under no circumstances did the crew fail to meet an ATC instruction.
Source: Unofficial radiotelephony recording of Seattle Approach (channel 119.200) from 15/10/2021 0130UTC - 0200UTC, publically available in the archives from liveatc.net

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Thank you modeS for your enlightening comments.
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Cargolux flight CLX97F from Anchorage and Chicago to Luxembourg (Boeing 747-8F reg. LX-VCC) diverted to Brussels this morning. It took off again to LUX this afternoon.

Cargolux flight CLX6359 from Seoul and Novosibirsk to Luxembourg (Boeing 747-8F reg. LX-VCE) diverted to Brussels this morning. It took off again to LUX this afternoon.

Fog at LUX?
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sn26567 wrote: 16 Oct 2021, 16:33 Cargolux flight CLX97F from Anchorage and Chicago to Luxembourg (Boeing 747-8F reg. LX-VCC) diverted to Brussels this morning. It took off again to LUX this afternoon.

Cargolux flight CLX6359 from Seoul and Novosibirsk to Luxembourg (Boeing 747-8F reg. LX-VCE) diverted to Brussels this morning. It took off again to LUX this afternoon.

Fog at LUX?
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Thanks for confirming fog ("FG") at LUX, poiu!
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Any news on this one? 🤔
Flew MAD to OST, did a (strange) holding pattern at 3000ft above OST before flying and landing in BRU.
Apparently ferry flight (football charter?)
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redcap wrote: 18 Oct 2021, 22:15 Image
Any news on this one? 🤔
Flew MAD to OST, did a (strange) holding pattern at 3000ft above OST before flying and landing in BRU.
Apparently ferry flight (football charter?)
The Klasjet flight to bring the players of AA Gent to Belgrade for their game against Partizan on Thursday?
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Not an anomaly, but a rarity: the sole An-225 Mriya flew over Brussels a few minutes ago while returning from Shannon to base in Kiev as flight ADB381F.
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On 21 October 202, an Air Bridge Cargo Boeing 747-8F from Liege to Moscow Sheremetyevo had a slat problem after take-off. The pilots decided to fly at a low altitude and divert to Leipzig.

Full story in The Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=4ef0f0fd
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