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here's a photo from the tail section of the plane:

http://images.wn.com/i/97/a8701fe2c818fd.jpg

the photo also makes clear that an emergency landing in this mountain area was impossible

Heu... I don't think this is the same accident and same aircraft. It is the tail of the Helios, boeing that ...

First of all, sorry for the poor information I will gave, it should be more take place into a blog. Anyway, some people might be intereseted to know the experience and ask for some information. In this case just do it.

Ok just done it today. First lesson ! woow a lot of turbulences today. But the ...

Exactly...

I think we just have different opinion.... I enjoy very much aviation and I like it and, I will admit you, a thing that I never admit there (at the forum before) I am close to aviation in many related ways.

Anyway, I have my POLITICAL opinion on the subject, and may be, for sure, it ...

I think that we must separate from short-term solution and long-term solution. For a long term point of view, we all know that Zaventem will die because this is what happened to every airport near a big city. For this case, we have to find a better solution, may be an offshore airport, or an airport ...

For me, delocalisation of Zaventem will happen, soon or late. If not, this will be the end of the airport... Why ? No I am against Zaventem, but that's the natural process of cities, growth and delocalisation. If brussels is growing, Zaventem will be more and more unwelcome. But, like many people ...

Bert Anciaux is THE cause of the noise. He took the decision of the Dispersion Plan. The dispersion plan does not work and will probably be canceled soon by the "Conseil d'etat". This is not a breaking news, the decision is already taken and must just be publicly available in few weeks. And this ...

I think you have a little problem Atlantis. Take holiday ;-)

It seems you are very proud when you are saying this.

How many times you take the airplane a year???? Don't tell me you are going every time a year per car on holiday.

It means that you and all complainers earn money for some little ...

No, 02 is oostrand and yes the money would go back to the complainers. A building has been confiscated (rue Art Loi) in order to be sold (forced ajudication).

Hi

I have a question , sice I am making a statement about the noise regulations at Brussels airport as exam for school.

About a year ago ...

Can someone explain to outsiders what this is all about.."Back to the situation of 1999.." I don't understand this.. less planes..? let the traffic controllers and not the politicians make the decisions ..? ..what else...?

Ok here are the 1999 situation, but may be I made some mistakes (thanks ...

I am agree with you, most of the complaints are automatically recorded but there are completely legal, like an automatic radar. You can not ignore them, and if you go too fast, you receive a penalty. Moreover, such device are regular controlled by legal entities and were put in place by government ...

I cannot understand this.. Who then DID ask for the penalty..
2) Now, the last barrier avoiding them for asking penalties is broken.

For the full story, the brussels area is recording every infractions according to their regulations, but decide to not ask for penalty since the judgement may be ...

This is a news because two different courts said two different things about Brussels noise regulations: constitutional or non-constitutional. The State Council of Belgium has just decided they are not illegal.

This is an important point because the Brussels Government did not ask for the penalty ...

From my point of view the new dispersion plan just brings two new things:

on saturday , all departure will take off from 020,
and the second point, if takeoff can not be preformed from 020, the best runway will be used (for example 07).

in other words, what does it mean, is in fact that 02 for ...

Could you elaborate on these? Your list seemed rather complete to me!

Agreed again; but should all negative effect be taken as a serious ground for government decisions? One major negative effect for many NIMBY's must be the lesser of value of their houses - could they not have foreseen that ...

No it is not definitively subjective. Noise is noise. What is subjective is the perception of noise... But noise and perception of noise are two different things.

And of course, complaining depends both on both the perception of noise and the noise itself.

Perception of noise depends on: (non ...

Not agree. You have sonometers which are very objective. There are some calculations taking into account the noise level and frequency. There are several international norms (OMS), indicating what level are permitted. So all these stuffs into consideration, and you can draw a real cadaster (not a ...

Don't know the answer but I think there are many factors:
+ first, of course the type of plane (some planes requires more work than the others)
+ the type of travels: if you plan a long IFR travel, even with a cessna, it is better with two pilots, that can share the work (routes, approach ...

For sure that people from noordrand will no longer complain lol.

Really good job Mr Landuyt! Finally someone who will take a serious decision after we had several ministers who did nothing for years.

And if someone has critics, why don't you try, you will see how hard it is. It's very easy to say ...

Yeah and the closure of the airport is approaching very fast. He made a huge mistake and now for sure there will be not only 100 000 complains but 1 000 000 complains next weeks ! Dispersion is definitely bad...

yes this is real news. Landuyt will now do it alone without negociating with Flemmish ...

If you are pragmatic and if you remove all the political aspects, accept some limitations, constraints and spend some money for insulation, expropriations, the problem is quite simple.

Today, the pre-1999 solution is requested by:
+ Brussels
+ Flander (Krainem, Wezembeek, Kortenberg, Erp ...