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What more do Polish people do better?
And of course the media are all over it, sensationalist as they are.
both not much to do with the actual topic, and bound to ask for sarcastic reactions that will get deleted.

anyhow, sad enough it happened, so why not show a bit more empathy with the ...

Very often pilots do not get the choice between flying safe or keeping their job...it's sad but true :(
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Airport will be blamed partially but authorities will say that it was the PIC's call.

and where does that leave the airline?
I hope the authorities are independent enough from TAM to ...

I understood that (apart from the supposedly bad state of the runway) the runway was slippery as result of rain, after weeks of dry weather, which mostly (also on regular roads) result in dirt and grease stuck on surface suddenly to wash up with the rain.

that should teach them a leasson in behaviour/conduct inside a plane...

Ahum, if you have read the entire topic they have hardly done anything wrong on that flight! Besides they have been released by the police without charge!
it was meant cynically, but then again, reading what they did ...

that should teach them a leasson in behaviour/conduct inside a plane...

however reportedly the F16's had to stay some 5km [3 mi] away from the plane while 'escorting' it. "normally" [in interception/escort mode] they fly right next to the plane.

apparently that was an assessment as well.. whatever it was.

the longer it stays silent about what REALLY happened, and ...

here on the "real " Continent we know already for years that the Brits have a rather back stabbing mentality just as some Americans when it comes to money/business/work and all that. probably an Anglo Saxon tradition

glad to hear it from a "Scot"

I have flown with a late model IPTN CN-235 in Philippines [Asian Spirit], which had a hard time getting its certification properly done...

it was ok.. i had more problems with the B737-200 from Air Philippines that had a left engine failure at take off, after a taxi down and trying to spin the ...

ok, soorry i got your line wrong, and some more people with Dutch as their native language might make the same translational error.

Besides the Kaagbaan the Polderbaan is a very used runway.

or the use of some punctuation might help ;-)

The Polderbaan is, besides the Kaagbaan, a very used ...

Somehow Kalitta reminds me of Tower Air, which was not free of incidents at AMS either...

correction to above, it is next to (parallel to) Zwanenburgbaan, the farthest west. It is used pretty intensively for both inbound and outbound flights.

Kalitta planes.. something tells me everytime i see these things (I drive the A9 motorway everyday, which runs at the end of the strip), that ...

it is certainly a social problem.. just like people getting out of their seat during taxi after touch down and not being corrected by the crew! [that happened to me on a Swiss flight -hail to Swiss Quality ahem...- from ZRH to Moscow (DOM) --> which also included a dog in cabin !! :shock: :dammit ...

i think the first step would be to touch base on earth again and not loose ourselves in pathetic paranoia.

ok, so we forbid laptops etc because of "terrorist danger" :roll: :roll: ? then what? geesh. go to spotterslane in Amsterdam and you can just shoot a rocket.

come on.

ok.. we make planes ...

because their relative bad reputation (at least for a while in the 90s) in regard to safety (ok, mostly due to lack of maintenance etc in the wake of the collapse of Soviet Union) - the name alone scares of many people (read: customers).

Try to convince your friends, or relatives to fly with a ...

update :

The plane arrived around 11.30 AM inbound from London (LHR) with nearly 200 pax, during a heavy rainstorm/shower. [ahem... i know exactly how these are the last few days ]

All pax deboarded unharmed via the stairs.

According to www.nu.nl (dutch only) a yet unidentified KLM plane has skidded off, or touched down next off, the Polderbaan in AMS airport.

nothing known yet about type of flight, and as such nothing yet known of state of passengers.

http://www.nu.nl/news/800965/10/KLM-toestel_naast_landingsbaan ...

they might...it is a 767/md-11 replacement after all... and they fly 767 to THR

with the chewinggum at least it wil start to fart

Sorry but I have to disagree...its basically due to the advanced technology that many planes (of certain companies) did not crash yet. (sorry to say by this)

one does not have to exclude the other.
i do agree with technology having a major impact on improving flight safety.

at the same time ...