RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

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Re: Will RwandAir fly to Brussels from 2017?

Post by sn26567 » 18 Jun 2017, 22:08

I asked Brussels Airlines about the future of their relations with RwandAir as a newcomer on the BRU-KGL route. Geert Sciot replied that:
  • Brussels Airlines and RwandAir will continue their codeshare which is in place on the SN flights and has not been denounced by either party.
  • Brussels Airlines might examine the possibility to codeshare on the RwandAir flights, but nothing has been decided yet.
  • The Brussels Airlines schedules will remain unchanged (6 weekly flights), despite the increase of the offer due to the arrival of RwandAir.
Furthermore, in addition to the point-to-point traffic,Brussels Airlines links Kigali to the whole European market (UK, France, Germany, etc.) and even North America. Therefore SN sees no need to reduce its own traffic to KGL.
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Re: Will RwandAir fly to Brussels from 2017?

Post by convair » 19 Jun 2017, 11:08

sn26567 wrote:
18 Jun 2017, 22:08
I asked Brussels Airlines about the future of their relations with RwandAir as a newcomer on the BRU-KGL route. Geert Sciot replied that:
  • Brussels Airlines and RwandAir will continue their codeshare which is in place on the SN flights and has not been denounced by either party.
  • Brussels Airlines might examine the possibility to codeshare on the RwandAir flights, but nothing has been decided yet.
  • The Brussels Airlines schedules will remain unchanged (6 weekly flights), despite the increase of the offer due to the arrival of RwandAir.
Furthermore, in addition to the point-to-point traffic,Brussels Airlines links Kigali to the whole European market (UK, France, Germany, etc.) and even North America. Therefore SN sees no need to reduce its own traffic to KGL.
Interesting!
Any info on what the bilateral agreement allows to each airline?

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Re: BRU Summer 2017: news, new routes, airlines

Post by pitrixplanespotting » 09 Jul 2017, 21:23

Will the Rwandair flight be an A332 or A333? According to the announcement A332, but the Kigali-London flight is an A333, so that means a downgrade and a triangle flight? Or miss I something? :)

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Re: BRU Summer 2017: news, new routes, airlines

Post by sn26567 » 09 Jul 2017, 22:50

pitrixplanespotting wrote:
09 Jul 2017, 21:23
Will the Rwandair flight be an A332 or A333? According to the announcement A332, but the Kigali-London flight is an A333, so that means a downgrade and a triangle flight? Or miss I something? :)
WB700 is the flight number currently used for the KGL-LGW flights. From 13 July, WB700 will be used for the whole triangular trip KGL-BRU-LGW-KGL.

Until now, RwandAir used both the A332 and the A333 for the WB700 route frtom KGL to LGW. There is no reason why this would change on the new triangular routing: I guess that the number of passengers will dictate the choice of the aircraft.
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by rwandan-flyer » 11 Jul 2017, 19:25

In deed, its depends load, but A330s are also deployed to Dubai and Lagos (almost daily). The B737 serves both cities, mainly, when one A330 is flying to London

At Dubai, the aircraft spends a whole day on the tarmac. On Accra / Lagos service, the aircraft makes its trip, during the daylight. Kigali London flight leaces Kigali at 12h30.

If loads are high to Dubai or Lagos, the A330-300 will be used and the A330-200 will fly London.

Last week, they sent A330-300. I konw that last friday, they were btw 150-160 pax (55-60% load factor), but there were lots of cargo, despite UK holidays have not yet started. They start this week, i think. Today, the A330-200 is deployed to London.

RwandAir has closed reservations on most BRU-LGW-KGL flights, from this week to early August. I guess flights are almost full, and some Travel Agencies, will sell remaining seats.

Of course it's too early to konw if the route will work well

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by Boeing767copilot » 12 Jul 2017, 09:48

Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by lumumba » 12 Jul 2017, 10:54

Boeing767copilot wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 09:48
Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.
So it's not possible to travel from Brussels to Kigali or is there flights going the other way ...
But anyway this is not sustainable!
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by luchtzak » 12 Jul 2017, 10:58

lumumba wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 10:54
Boeing767copilot wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 09:48
Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.
So it's not possible to travel from Brussels to Kigali or is there flights going the other way ...
But anyway this is not sustainable!
Are other carriers allowed to bring passengers to a final destination via e.g. London ?

Example: CDG - LHR - JFK (passengers travel to JFK via a stop in London ? )

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by sn26567 » 12 Jul 2017, 11:33

I remember that Sabena was flying BRU-LGW-ATL by B743 in codeshare with British Caledonian. With traffic rights on ALL segments.
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by rwandan-flyer » 12 Jul 2017, 17:00

Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.
Pax will disembark to be rescreened, with the Direct Airside Transit visa.



Notice

All passengers boarded on our flight from BRU to KGL via LGW will be required to disembark with their cabin luggage at LGW an rescreened by the UK authorities.

Nationals of Angola, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Congo Dem., Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Liberia, Malawi, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda, and Zimbabwe need to have transit visas unless they have a residence permit issued by an EEA state or Switzerland, or have a category D visa for entry to an EEA state or Switzerland.

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by rwandan-flyer » 12 Jul 2017, 17:03

rwandan-flyer wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 17:00
Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.
Notice

All passengers boarded on our flight from BRU to KGL via LGW will be required to disembark with their cabin luggage at LGW an rescreened by the UK authorities.

Nationals of Angola, Burundi, Cameroon, Congo, Congo Dem., Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Liberia, Malawi, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda, and Zimbabwe need to have transit visas unless they have a residence permit issued by an EEA state or Switzerland, or have a category D visa for entry to an EEA state or Switzerland.
https://www.rwandair.com/
Are other carriers allowed to bring passengers to a final destination via e.g. London ?

Example: CDG - LHR - JFK (passengers travel to JFK via a stop in London ? )
Air india operates some flights from India to New York via Heathrow

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by sn26567 » 12 Jul 2017, 18:00

rwandan-flyer wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 17:00
Due to the pending issues with the UK border force the RwandAir flight will continue from BRU to LGW with no passengers embarking in BRU for KGL on that stretch.
Pax will disembark to be rescreened, with the Direct Airside Transit visa.
That looks better. Travel Magazine this morning wrote that no passengers would be allowed from BRU to KGL!
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Translation:
No departing passengers in Brussels on RwandAir flight
It will not be allowed for passengers in Brussels to board the RwandAir flight to Kigali.
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by Boeing767copilot » 12 Jul 2017, 19:33

pitrixplanespotting wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 19:05
Will the plane come to BRU then?
Yes, but in BRU no pax allowed to LGW or KGL

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by b720 » 12 Jul 2017, 20:55

If this is true, this UK policy is worse than Trump's ban on Muslims! The list is almost exclusively sub Saharan Africa!
Didn't people at Rwandair know this before they decided to launch the flight to BRU?

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by b720 » 12 Jul 2017, 20:56

It is exclusively sub Saharan Africa!

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by sn26567 » 12 Jul 2017, 22:36

Boeing767copilot wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 19:33
pitrixplanespotting wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 19:05
Will the plane come to BRU then?
Yes, but in BRU no pax allowed to LGW or KGL
Then you didn't read a message posted 2 or 3 posts above yours:
rwandan-flyer wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 17:00
All passengers boarded on our flight from BRU to KGL via LGW will be required to disembark with their cabin luggage at LGW an rescreened by the UK authorities.
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by convair » 12 Jul 2017, 23:28

I think a stop at BRU on both ways instead of a triangular flight would solve the problem. How silly of RwandAir to have accepted that set-up!

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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by lumumba » 13 Jul 2017, 00:05

Why did the UK imposes that?
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Re: RwandAir to fly to Brussels from July 2017

Post by Boeing767copilot » 13 Jul 2017, 00:10

sn26567 wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 22:36
Boeing767copilot wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 19:33
pitrixplanespotting wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 19:05
Will the plane come to BRU then?
Yes, but in BRU no pax allowed to LGW or KGL
Then you didn't read a message posted 2 or 3 posts above yours:
rwandan-flyer wrote:
12 Jul 2017, 17:00
All passengers boarded on our flight from BRU to KGL via LGW will be required to disembark with their cabin luggage at LGW an rescreened by the UK authorities.
Yes, I did: (sorry in French)


‘Le vol RwandAir n’embarquera pas de passagers à Bruxelles’
( 12-07-2017) Aucun passager ne pourra embarquer à Bruxelles à bord du vol RwandAir à destination de Kigali. C’est ce qu’a fait savoir dans un communiqué APG Air Agencies, l’agent général de ventes de RwandAir pour le Belux. Comme annoncé précédemment, la compagnie rwandaise lance ce vendredi 14 juillet des vols entre Bruxelles et Kigali (Rwanda), via Londres-Gatwick. Etant donné que le vol fait escale à Londres, les autorités britanniques avaient renforcé les normes de sécurité et les contrôles douaniers. Les passagers de ce vol auraient dû tous débarquer à Londres avec leurs bagages et repasser un contrôle de sécurité effectué par les autorités britanniques. Une procédure bien trop lourde et chronophage, semble-t-il. Les vols prévus sont bien maintenus, mais aucun passager ne pourra embarquer à Bruxelles à destination de Kigali. RwandAir tente de rassurer les clients et affirme négocier avec les autorités au Royaume-Uni afin de trouver une solution.

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