Bid on Brussels International Airport
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- Sabena_690
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Indeed very bad news.
AMS doesn't make a secret about it...
They allready said several times that they are intrested in BRU because BRU is their backyard and could become a big problem in the future (OneWorld).
So their "10 year" strategy...
> buy BRU
> use BRU for second hand flights
> transfer all international flights to AMS
> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport
I really hope their are some serious offers for BRU from other airports that can really use BRU as an international airport. (even a gateway to Africa).
Like allways, the future will bring us the answers...
thumbs up for BRU, the year 2004/2005 are the "now or never" years...
these years will decide if BRU will become a player or not.
greetings,
ATC
AMS doesn't make a secret about it...
They allready said several times that they are intrested in BRU because BRU is their backyard and could become a big problem in the future (OneWorld).
So their "10 year" strategy...
> buy BRU
> use BRU for second hand flights
> transfer all international flights to AMS
> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport
I really hope their are some serious offers for BRU from other airports that can really use BRU as an international airport. (even a gateway to Africa).
Like allways, the future will bring us the answers...
thumbs up for BRU, the year 2004/2005 are the "now or never" years...
these years will decide if BRU will become a player or not.
greetings,
ATC
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This is ridiculous I mean AMS won't utilize BRU, if they buy it they have a plan to make something of BRU. Not that all 'second hand flights' (:?:) will go to BRU. AMS will use BRU, by buying it, as weapon against other 'agressive' elements. And I don't think that all the flights of BRU will go to AMS. 1) AMS has not enough room for that. They may expand, but I don't think that they are waiting at flights from BRU 2) If KLM gets her wish, SIA Cargo will come to BRU and will use it as hub/connection point.ATC wrote: So their "10 year" strategy...
> buy BRU
> use BRU for second hand flights
> transfer all international flights to AMS
> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport
Why the crap to BRU? Since BRU will become a part of AMS I don't think they will dump rubbish in their own backyard.sn26567 wrote:...and leave the crap to BRU
I think Schiphol will share flights. Half to AMS half to BRU
1) So they are able to expand and to create from AMS/BRU a big hub, a mainport of Europe
2) To prevent that other airlines will use BRU so that they don't have competition in their nearest environment.
It won't be the end for BRU. I think it will start the beginning of a big Mainport of Europe. Don't think negative. If the shares must go away, give them to AMS. If you will use them for the OneWorld story, I think that BRU will become an airport where all of you are thinking about now: A small regional airport for near destinations in Europe, due to OneWorld has already all over the world good connections. The same for Star alliance (FRA). AMS is no strong hub of an alliance, soon a hub of Skyteam, but not too strong (still under influence of CDG), and if CDG want to pick all those flights to Paris, then we are lost.
Yeah, airport authorities can make it very hard to airlines to operate flights from, one example is the BIG airport LEJ (Leipzig Halle) but unforunatly without attractive routes at suitable price and suitable time and therefore it's an dead airport without any pax (but with an train - rapid train = ICE terminal ....) - and nobody comes ....
good news guys
FRAPORT is interested as well and made a bid and they definitly CANNOT grow anymore at their homebase
http://de.biz.yahoo.com/040615/336/42qse.html
FRAPORT is interested as well and made a bid and they definitly CANNOT grow anymore at their homebase
http://de.biz.yahoo.com/040615/336/42qse.html
yes, as mentioned here:Jumbolino wrote:good news guys
FRAPORT is interested as well and made a bid and they definitly CANNOT grow anymore at their homebase
http://de.biz.yahoo.com/040615/336/42qse.html
https://www.aviation24.be/modules.php?name ... 2996#42996 (hence same topic but first page )
Just one thing: are you talking about Schiphol or KLM? You seem to be talking about KLM...Flying_Dutchman wrote:I think Schiphol will share flights. Half to AMS half to BRU
1) So they are able to expand and to create from AMS/BRU a big hub, a mainport of Europe
Why the hell would KLM fly half their flights to BRU? They allready have CDG now!
Airlines decide where they fly to, not Airports!
Indeed, Schiphol litteraly said the wanted BRU to prevent agressive competition, but guess what: some agressive competition is just what BRU needs, steel passengers & flights away from Schiphol, CDG, FRA etc... Why would an airport refuse an airline to use their facilities? The more, the better! Again, you're mistaking Schiphol for KLM!Flying_Dutchman wrote:2) To prevent that other airlines will use BRU so that they don't have competition in their nearest environment.
Swissair allso said they wanted to maximise Sabena's potential, and look where that brought us...
I'll take Copenhagen anyday over CDG, FRA or Schiphol, that's not a competitor, but could be a good alliance partner.
"Schiphol, which is controlled by the Dutch government, initially wanted to wait for its initial public offering of shares before embarking on acquisitions but felt it had to take action now because rivals such as ADP, operator of Paris CDG, or Frankfurt airport operator Fraport could take over Zaventem. Additionally, financial investors such as Britain's 3i and Australia's Macquarie reportedly have shown interest.
Schiphol operates four airports in the Netherlands, Terminal 4 at New York JFK and Brisbane Airport"
Press release BIAC:
Indicative bids
At this stage of the process to sell part of the shares of BIAC, no statements will be made on its progress. Neither BIAC nor its shareholders shall release any information on the indicative bids that were submitted to ING, the consultant in charge of co-ordinating the process.
Schiphol operates four airports in the Netherlands, Terminal 4 at New York JFK and Brisbane Airport"
Press release BIAC:
Indicative bids
At this stage of the process to sell part of the shares of BIAC, no statements will be made on its progress. Neither BIAC nor its shareholders shall release any information on the indicative bids that were submitted to ING, the consultant in charge of co-ordinating the process.
- Sabena_690
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The biggest airline at FRA, Lufthansa, already announced that, if they can't expand in FRA, that the additional traffic will go to MUC. This discussion is currently going on, because the new runway is delayed as far as I remember...FRAPORT is interested as well and made a bid and they definitly CANNOT grow anymore at their homebase
Frederic
Brussels Airlines - Flying Your Way
If I really had to chose between AMS and FRA as the future owner of BIAC, I would prefer FRA, because it is further away and more difficult to reach by ground transportation, thus there is a limited risk of taking away traffic from BRU.
But let's face it: any airport that is a hub for an alliance (AMS and CDG for SkyTeam, FRA and CPH for Star) would be a bad choice for that very reason: it would take away transit traffic from BRU.
Only a OneWorld airport would be acceptable as most SN BA's codeshares are with OneWorld companies. So why not BAA?
As balckhawk mentioned, other companies are interested, and not only airports. there is a French building company, an Australian holding, etc. They would all be preferable to a competing airport from a neighbour country.
But let's face it: any airport that is a hub for an alliance (AMS and CDG for SkyTeam, FRA and CPH for Star) would be a bad choice for that very reason: it would take away transit traffic from BRU.
Only a OneWorld airport would be acceptable as most SN BA's codeshares are with OneWorld companies. So why not BAA?
As balckhawk mentioned, other companies are interested, and not only airports. there is a French building company, an Australian holding, etc. They would all be preferable to a competing airport from a neighbour country.
André
ex Sabena #26567
ex Sabena #26567
What do they mean with "Brussels can act as a Bypass Airport" (De vier grote concurrenten leveren daarmee voor het eerst gezamenlijk ‘slag’ om een kluif, die als ‘bypass luchthaven’ dienst kan gaan doen in het steeds vollere Europese luchtruim.)
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=4519
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=4519
I think it means that BR would become an airport where for example allot of short haul flights arrive, passengers are put onto a TGV and railed to CDG and are put on the long-haul flights over there ... so no more long-haul flights to BRU.blackhawk wrote:What do they mean with "Brussels can act as a Bypass Airport" (De vier grote concurrenten leveren daarmee voor het eerst gezamenlijk ‘slag’ om een kluif, die als ‘bypass luchthaven’ dienst kan gaan doen in het steeds vollere Europese luchtruim.)
http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=4519
Pleas tell me if I'm wrong, cause I'm not 100% shure.
Greetz,
Andries
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My whole story is about Schiphol.Buzz wrote:Just one thing: are you talking about Schiphol or KLM? You seem to be talking about KLM...Flying_Dutchman wrote:I think Schiphol will share flights. Half to AMS half to BRU
1) So they are able to expand and to create from AMS/BRU a big hub, a mainport of Europe
Why the hell would KLM fly half their flights to BRU? They allready have CDG now!
Airlines decide where they fly to, not Airports!
AMS could share her capacity to BRU (if AMS has bought BRU), so there are more flights, thus a chance to grow for both airports, special for BRU. Airlines decide where they want to fly, but I think that an airport also decides when an airline may come flying to them.
No, I'm still talking about Schiphol.Buzz wrote:Indeed, Schiphol litteraly said the wanted BRU to prevent agressive competition, but guess what: some agressive competition is just what BRU needs, steel passengers & flights away from Schiphol, CDG, FRA etc... Why would an airport refuse an airline to use their facilities? The more, the better! Again, you're mistaking Schiphol for KLM!Flying_Dutchman wrote:2) To prevent that other airlines will use BRU so that they don't have competition in their nearest environment.
Schiphol's point is to atract more airlines. If airlines choose for BRU, that's sad for AMS, so AMS tries to buy BRU. Indeed, competition is good for BRU, but I was talking about AMS. Competiotion just in front of their nose, isn't what they want. By buying BRU, they just want to prevent those competitors, and is able to increase their capacity over two airports.
I hope I'm clear
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AMS South !!!
has a certain ring to the name......................
Last time I flew KLM to Joburg from BRU via AMS, we flew for 22 minutes and taxied from the new runway at AMS for 37mins, so if they can build a new runway miles from the actual airport site, why not a new satelite terminal just "down the road" .....
sorry but couldn't resist, at the end of the day it''s business FRAPORT own stakes in various airports, so do the swiss so why not the Dutch.
Rgds
Tony
Last time I flew KLM to Joburg from BRU via AMS, we flew for 22 minutes and taxied from the new runway at AMS for 37mins, so if they can build a new runway miles from the actual airport site, why not a new satelite terminal just "down the road" .....
sorry but couldn't resist, at the end of the day it''s business FRAPORT own stakes in various airports, so do the swiss so why not the Dutch.
Rgds
Tony
You forget some things in your 10 year strategy:ATC wrote:Indeed very bad news.
AMS doesn't make a secret about it...
They allready said several times that they are intrested in BRU because BRU is their backyard and could become a big problem in the future (OneWorld).
So their "10 year" strategy...
> buy BRU
> use BRU for second hand flights
> transfer all international flights to AMS
> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport
greetings,
ATC
So their "10 year" strategy...
> buy BRU
> use BRU for second hand flights
> use AMS for feeding flights
> Repaint KL planes into AF colours
> transfer all international flights to CDG
> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport and AMS a feeder hub for AF.
Good news is that Singapore Airlines anounced that they will use BRU instead of AMS after the KL block for the cargo arrival from Singapore Airlines.This should mean a lot of traffic and jobs will come to BRU.
Greetz,
Erwin
A Whole Different Animal
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Re: AMS South !!!
They're planning to do that. Look at these computer draws:Eurocontrol wrote:...so if they can build a new runway miles from the actual airport site, why not a new satelite terminal just "down the road" .....
http://www.vslcatena.nl/~jules/schiphol.jpg
http://picserver.student.utwente.nl/vie ... 98V10RE14U
- Sabena_690
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You don't have to be old and wise to know that this is crap...> transfer all international flights to CDG
The fact that KLM is opening ATL, get's all flights to Manila etc etc is also part of the 'destruction process' I guess?
The planns currently on the table reveal that both AF and KL are going to concentrate on their profitable hubs. That's for example why KLM is withdrawing from the loss-making AMS-CCS route (they have the MD11 available now for money making destinations, with Dar Es Salaam being one of them I believe).
And with CDG being very congested, do you think that there is place over there for the current longhaul flights ex-AMS?
Don't know for sure, but I highly doubt whether this is every going to happen. And then again: who cares whether KLM or whatever else is written on the plane?> Repaint KL planes into AF colours
That about BRU is already a fact, that about AMS not at all. Don't mix facts with your imagination.> and finally lett BRU become a regional airport and AMS a feeder hub for AF.
The outcome for BRU: it can't get much worse than it is now. So does it really matter who is going to take them over? I would like to know what the planns of AMS airport would be with BRU, once the TGV will be able to connect both cities in 2h.
Anyway, I'm a bit minded towards a take over by another airport...
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