A380 Question

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 22 Oct 2003, 10:50

How many airlines currently have orders for the A380? I asked this question in another thread but it has been ignored.

Post by **sn26567** » 22 Oct 2003, 10:57

The airbus website mentions 8 customers for 116 planes on 30 September 2003 (http://www.airbus.com/media/orders_n_deliveries.asp)

Looking for details, you find (http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersn ... _sep03.xls):

Air France: 10
Emirates: 43
Federal Express: 10
International Lease Finance Corp.: 10
Lufthansa: 15
Qantas Airways: 12
Singapore Airlines: 10
Virgin Atlantic: 6

There are some big absences: BA, all the US airlines (except FedEx for the Cargo version), all the Japanese, ...

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 22 Oct 2003, 11:32

Thanks Andre - I would have thought there would have been more interest in this aircraft than there has been. I read that Boeing won't be developing the 747 much more, so I would have thought that would have left the way clear for Airbus with the A380.

The A330 and A340 has been a good seller, I would have thought that a next generation long haul aircraft which could take over from the 747 would have been a good financial bet.

Unless the A380 has come too soon after the A340 to get too many customers. Though I'm not surprised to see the absence of BA, they have never been a good Airbus customer, always preferring Boeing generally. The non-Boeing types in the fleet have come from when the airline has swallowed up other airlines, such as the DC10 from British Caledonian.

777 · Post by **777** » 22 Oct 2003, 11:47

sn26567 wrote:Emirates: 43
What are they gooing to do with soo many planes ??!
This in addition to all their B777's, A330's and A340's.

I wonder if anybody else is thinking what I am thinking ?

Andre

777 · Post by **777** » 22 Oct 2003, 11:54

Comet wrote:not surprised to see the absence of BA, they have never been a good Airbus customer
But in the past they had the VC10, Trident (instead of the 'Boeing' 727'),
Vickers Viscount, L1011, etc...

And BA and Boeing have always had a good relationship, so
why end it ?

Andre

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 22 Oct 2003, 12:01

As for the VC10, I once read that BOAC (as it was at the time), took every opportunity to rubbish the aircraft in favour of the 707. BA has always preferred the US made aircraft. Both Boeing and Airbus make very fine aircraft, but from the point of view of British Aerospace workers, I would have thought that our national airline should buy an aircraft which a British company has helped to make. The most British part of the Boeing 747 was it's Rolls Royce engines.

The Trident was originally acquired by British European Airways, and these aircraft were absorbed into the British Airways fleet upon the merger with BOAC to form British Airways. The Viscount was also a mainstay of the BEA fleet, as was the Comet 4B.

EBAW_flyer · Post by **EBAW_flyer** » 22 Oct 2003, 12:43

Thanks Andre - I would have thought there would have been more interest in this aircraft than there has been.

Do you think the 747 had that many orders so far in advance? I mean, we still have to wait about 3 years for the A380. The B747 also didn't have that many orders that early in the production process.

BBKing · Post by **BBKing** » 23 Oct 2003, 09:48

MAS is expected to make an order in short term.

Moreover I think we can expect some Japanese carriers at the end ordering some aircraft for their trunk routes on which they use "domestic" B747's at this moment.

BBKing · Post by **BBKing** » 23 Oct 2003, 18:10

Only some hours after my previous post, Korean was announced as new A380 customer. See related news item.

A318 · Post by **A318** » 23 Oct 2003, 18:16

Korean Air ordered 5 A380's, order total now on 121 !

Greetz,

Erwin

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 23 Oct 2003, 18:34

777 wrote:
sn26567 wrote:Emirates: 43
What are they gooing to do with soo many planes ??!This in addition to all their B777's, A330's and A340's. I wonder if anybody else is thinking what I am thinking ?Andre

What are you thinking, Andre?
What I know is that EK has the most marvellous portfolio of traffic rights an airline marketing manager can dream of.
Meanwhile EK is also building a nice portfolio of stakes in other airlines.
And EK has money, USD and Euro.
Wait until they come face to face with EU and US rules... then we'll how flexible Brussels can be...
Louise noticed: BA has always preferred the US made aircraft.
I think I know what might be one reason why.
Not only BA but KLM, Sabena and other airlines have or had a structure with a "BA of America" type of entity.
These entities (business units) had a more favourable financial status in the States: all their sales in USD stayed in the USA not only to pay the local staff and the outgoing operations, but also to pay the financing of the aircaft bought in the USA. It seemed that there was a huge tax advantage in proceeding that way.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 23 Oct 2003, 18:47

BBKing wrote:Only some hours after my previous post, Korean was announced as new A380 customer. See related news item.

I know all about that news item. It was my Mum who submitted it, I spent the last part of my dinner break showing her how to submit news onto Luchtzak, and she was really pleased when Andre put it onto the forum.

Have Korean been an Airbus customer at all? I know they mainly had 747s in their long haul fleet.

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Oct 2003, 10:25

A318 wrote:Korean Air ordered 5 A380's, order total now on 121 !

This morning Malaysian also ordered 6 planes.
That should bring the total to 127!

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 24 Oct 2003, 10:33

Comet wrote:
Have Korean been an Airbus customer at all? I know they mainly had 747s in their long haul fleet.

Oh I just love having my questions ignored!!!

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Oct 2003, 12:26

Comet,

See the full announcement on Luchtzak news: https://www.aviation24.be/article1739.html

"Airbus’ relationship with Korean Air dates back to 1974, when the airline became Airbus’ first customer outside Europe. Today, the carrier remains one of Airbus’ largest customers in the region, having previously placed orders for 51 widebody types comprising 32 A300s and 19 A330s. "

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 24 Oct 2003, 12:30

Well all that stuff wasn't there when I read the news report, it was just as my Mum had typed it in. The rest must have been added later.

MD-11 · Post by **MD-11** » 24 Oct 2003, 12:33

Via www.justplanes.com ( links ) I found Korean Airs website and they have
3 A330-200
15 A330-300
and 12 A300-600

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 24 Oct 2003, 12:38

Thank you MD-11.

Post by **sn26567** » 24 Oct 2003, 13:35

Comet wrote:Well all that stuff wasn't there when I read the news report, it was just as my Mum had typed it in. The rest must have been added later.

Indeed, I added the Airbus information later on, in order to avoid writing a new topic.

I hope that you will appreciate your question being answered.

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 24 Oct 2003, 14:33

Of course I appreciate it Andre.

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