Flat beds. How will narrow body aircraft be configured?

[SN30952]

Business-class-only airlines / aircraft seem to be a new trend.
EOS will operate 48 passenger B757's with flatbeds.

Virgin Atlantic's layout with the flatbeds looks like this: left. British Airways 747 Upper Deck is on the right.

But how will the narrow bodied aircraft be configured?
Would the British Airways 747 Upper Deck Row 60 to 64 give a clue as to the configuration of B757 and narrow bodied Airbusses?
Other airlines have already flatbeds on wide body aircraft..
For bed / seat dims of most airlines follow this is the link, and goto (SNBA is under B!)

[ryanvsnow]

I dont see how it could be configured any other way. You might have a point with your 74 upper-deck theory.

[earthman]

How about putting the insides of a train sleeper car into the airplane?

[SN30952]

How about putting the insides of a train sleeper car into the airplane?

Quite heavy, sleeper trains, or do you see something like an upper or main deck ULD*, furnished with relax/bed, entertainment centre and communication equipment: internet (in fact when you have Internet, you do not need other eq. as you can mail, phone, watch TV, listen radio.)


That could be a nice business idea: ULD's with comfort enteriors.
*While in the ocean freight cargo business the word "container" is widely accepted, in the air freight cargo business the proper term is "unit load device", or more commonly ULD.

IATA uses three letter codes (in upper case letters) to describe key characteristics of ULDs. Examples are AKE, DPN and RKE. Each of the three letter code positions describes particular characteristics of the ULD.
The Position 1 letter describes the container as:
1. certified as to airworthiness or non-certified
2. structural unit or non-structural
3. fitted with equipment for refrigeration, insulation or thermal control (Thermal) or not fitted with refrigeration, insulation or thermal control
4. containers, pallets, nets, pallet/net/non-structural igloo assembly

The Code List for Position 1 is as follows:
A Certified Aircraft Container
D Non-Certified Aircraft Container
F Non-Certified Aircraft Pallet
G Non-Certified Aircraft Pallet Net
J Thermal Non-Structural Igloo
H Horse Stalls
K Cattle Stalls
M Thermal Non-Certified Aircraft Container
N Certified Aircraft Pallet Net
P Certified Aircraft Pallet
R Thermal Certified Aircraft Container
U Non-Structural Container
V Automobile Transport Equipment

The Position 2 letter describes the base dimensions of the container. For containers manufactured after October 1, 1990 the following code letters are used:

A 2,235 x 3,175 mm (88 x 125 in)
B 2,235 x 2,743 mm (88 x 108 in)
E 1,346 x 2,235 mm (53 x 88 in)
F 2,438 x 2,991 mm (96 x 117 3/4 in)
G 2,438 x 6,058 mm (96 x 238 1/2 in)
H 2,438 x 9,125 mm (96 x 359 1/4 in)
J 2,438 x 12,192 mm (96 x 480 in)
K 1,534 x 1,562 mm (60.4 x 61.5 in)
L 1,534 x 3,175 mm (60.4 x 125 in)
M 2,438 x 3,175 mm (96 x 125 in)
N 1,562 x 2,438 mm (61.5 x 96 in)
P 1,198 x 1,534 mm (47 x 60.4 in)
Q 1,534 x 2,438 mm (60.4 x 96 in)
R 2,438 x 4,938 mm (96 x 196 in)
X Miscellaneous sizes largest dimension between 2,438 mm and 3,175 mm (between 96 in and 125 in)
Y Miscellaneous sizes largest dimension 2,438 mm (96 in)
Z Miscellaneous sizes largest dimension >3,175 (>125 in)

The Position 3 letter describes the container's contour, fork lift capability, and in the case of pallets and nets, the restraint system into which the unit is classified. The Position 3 codes are extremely complex and are not within the scope of this forum. Refer to the IATA "ULD Technical Manual" for complete information.

[earthman]

Well something like that, a lot of small compartments, with a hallway on one side. And maybe a piano bar at the end.

Or do you propose to use ULDs which you enter inside the airport terminal and which are then shoved into the plane?

[SN30952]

The new NZ 777s will be the first to be fitted with the "herringbone" configuration of premium seats - a design licensed from Virgin Atlantic.

Would this system fit the narrowbody aircraft?
One central fishbone?

[earthman]

I think that for narrowbody aircraft an 'inverted' fishbone would be more practical, with a single aisle.

[SN30952]

I think that for narrowbody aircraft an 'inverted' fishbone would be more practical, with a single aisle.

An inveterted fishboone, I think I have to ask Captain Iglo what that is!
What about tete-beche, head to tail or foot, or row 69?

[SN30952]

I am indeed very disappointed by the lay out and the seats of Al Khayala

But the exterior is great!

There are also some rules to board their aircraft:
if in our judgment, you are not medically fit to travel or your medical donation poses or could pose a danger or threat to the health of other guests.

Each guest is allowed free of charge of 3 pieces of checked-in baggage with a combined weight of up to 60 kilograms. (No pooling accepted).
They reserve the right to refuse carriage of such baggage or such items found in baggage as follows: Live or dead animals; Human or animal remains.
In the event of lost baggage, guests should notify their VIP Representative immediately. If your baggage cannot be traced after 14 days, Al Khayala will compensate guests based on a calculation determined by the weight of the lost baggage; the maximum weight is 15 kilos.

If their flight is delayed as a result of any event 'outside' (sic) their control such as, but not limited to:
* air traffic control
* weather
* security reasons
* airport and runway closures
* acts of God
Al Khayala will not be held liable for reimbursement or compensation.

The ticket is 800$!
You might also consider the loss of your luggage as a 'donation' to that company.

RUH - JED is about the same distance as BRU-MRS.