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This is why I asked if someone can provide figures on profit on the South Africa flights. Something I still don't see
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From colleagues travelling Southern Africa (=RSA + neighbouring countries) I head that AB flights were ok: very full and good service; and on time.
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Very good analysis!Matt wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 08:48 I grew up in South Africa and I saw Sabena and Sobelair (and I believe I flew once with Citybird as a kid? ) fail miserably on this route. Why? Mostly lack of cargo. Load factors weren't bad on these flights as far as I remember, they were always full in terms of passengers.
You are mixing up revenue with profit.rwandan-flyer wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 10:46 Before covid JNB-LHR operated by British Airways was the second most profitable route in Africa. They earned 295 167 492 USD (it's bigger than the 2018
sn26567, I fail to see what the relevance is of your post in this topic. You are talking of an airline that flew to Brussels >40yrs ago, their services hardly lasted 2 years.
Sorry, my mistake. It was People Express Airlines (in short PEOPLExpress), not Braniff, which operated those flights between SFO and BRU. PEOPLExpress started on 20 November 1985 a once-weekly direct flight to SFO every Wednesday. Fares were $99 during the first month; afterwards, it was $249. Those flights didn't last long, due to the enormous debt of the company, which was merged into Continental in June 1986.OO-JFP wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 14:49sn26567, I fail to see what the relevance is of your post in this topic. You are talking of an airline that flew to Brussels >40yrs ago, their services hardly lasted 2 years.
With respect to (eventual) direct flights by ABB to SFO (or LAX) from BRU, I'm old enough to tell you that Braniff never had scheduled direct flights between the US west coast and BRU (the same goes for other European airports they have served (AMS, CDG, LHR, LGW and FRA).
All flights to those cities departed from DFW, BOS or JFK.
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AB would better leave Mauritius to the French. Same story as Guadeloupe & Martinique.crew1990 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 23:30 Review of an Air Belgium kind of empty flight to Mauritius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zEIYWwrwyw
Sorry but have you seen or heard any advertisement of Air Belgium on TV or radio in Belgium? NO! In the Nederland, France or Germany to fill flights to Mauritius, Curacao, Punta Cana,... ?? NO advertisement !JOVAN2 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 00:41AB would better leave Mauritius to the French. Same story as Guadeloupe & Martinique.crew1990 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2023, 23:30 Review of an Air Belgium kind of empty flight to Mauritius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zEIYWwrwyw
Or Curacao & Bonaire: leave it to the Dutch.
concentrate on US West Coast, Mexico & Brazil. And RSA.
Good summary: FIH, ACMI and ad hoc are probably the only viable passenger options.crew1990 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 13:04 To be honest, the only route I could see them succeed as a passenger airline is Kinshasa. But will never happend unless they got traffic right. All the rest is deem to fait without right partner.
It’s time for Air Belgium to stop their PAX operation and focus on cargo. If not they will be forced to stop all activities.
FIH, we talked about this a few days ago... We could see CAA come on the route but I don't think that a second Belgian would be useful.fcw wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 14:31Good summary: FIH, ACMI and ad hoc are probably the only viable passenger options.crew1990 wrote: ↑09 Jan 2023, 13:04 To be honest, the only route I could see them succeed as a passenger airline is Kinshasa. But will never happend unless they got traffic right. All the rest is deem to fait without right partner.
It’s time for Air Belgium to stop their PAX operation and focus on cargo. If not they will be forced to stop all activities.