TUI fly Belgium in 2020

[FLYAIR10]

Tuifly B787-8 Dreamliner (OO-JDL) on its way from BRU to Fort-de-France as TB8939.

Still another repatriation flight and/or Cargo?

I would think this is more an 'Air Belgium destination'....

[UJspotting]

TUI Airlines Belgium - Coronavirus
Update 27 April 2020

Following the decisions taken by the Belgian National Security Council of Friday 24 April, TUI Airlines Belgium has decided to cancel all its flights until 07 June 2020 included.

[TLspotting]

TUI Airlines Belgium - Coronavirus
Update 27 April 2020

Following the decisions taken by the Belgian National Security Council of Friday 24 April, TUI Airlines Belgium has decided to cancel all its flights until 07 June 2020 included.

That's heavy...

[Passenger]

TUI Airlines Belgium - Coronavirus
Update 27 April 2020

Following the decisions taken by the Belgian National Security Council of Friday 24 April, TUI Airlines Belgium has decided to cancel all its flights until 07 June 2020 included.

That's heavy...

Heavy indeed, but "normal", given the travel embargo from last Friday:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67995&start=560#p395271

[TLspotting]

TUI Airlines Belgium - Coronavirus
Update 27 April 2020

Following the decisions taken by the Belgian National Security Council of Friday 24 April, TUI Airlines Belgium has decided to cancel all its flights until 07 June 2020 included.

That's heavy...

Heavy indeed, but "normal", given the travel embargo from last Friday:
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67995&start=560#p395271

And Brussels Airlines "maintaining" flights... That's absurd. Air Belgium was first to cancel until June well before Belgian Gov announcement.

[sdbelgium]

Cargo. TUI will perform other cargo flights to other unusual destinations with their 787’s in the coming days/weeks.

OO-LOE scheduled to depart BRU for Shenzhen Bao'an (ZGSZ/SZX) tonight at 20.30 as JAF895F.

[Kapitein]

Cargo. TUI will perform other cargo flights to other unusual destinations with their 787’s in the coming days/weeks.

OO-LOE scheduled to depart BRU for Shenzhen Bao'an (ZGSZ/SZX) tonight at 20.30 as JAF895F.

Departure was delayed until today 1600LT due to paperwork for China.

[FLYAIR10]

sdbelgium wrote: ↑
27 Apr 2020, 20:18
737MAX wrote: ↑
27 Apr 2020, 19:33
Cargo. TUI will perform other cargo flights to other unusual destinations with their 787’s in the coming days/weeks.
OO-LOE scheduled to depart BRU for Shenzhen Bao'an (ZGSZ/SZX) tonight at 20.30 as JAF895F.
Departure was delayed until today 1600LT due to paperwork for China.

Also TuiFly 787 Dreamliner OO-LOE on its way back from Shenzhen to BRU. ETA 14.15 LT

[sdbelgium]

Cargo flight to Reunion today (RUN/FMEE): OO-JDL departed at 10.15LT.

[TLspotting]

PH-OYI to fly from Casablanca to BRU on 4 May 2020.

[TLspotting]

Just read via UJspotting that TUI is going to lease some aircraft to operate flights during S20.

Wait what ?

[UJspotting]

Just read via UJspotting that TUI is going to lease some aircraft to operate flights during S20.

Wait what ?

Information via Google Flights. Everything is subject to change in these uncertain times...

[sn26567]

Just read via UJspotting that TUI is going to lease some aircraft to operate flights during S20.

Wait what ?

Information via Google Flights. Everything is subject to change in these uncertain times...

Indeed. I don't see why TUI fly Belgium would lease foreign aircraft when they cannot even fly their own aircraft.

[UJspotting]

Just read via UJspotting that TUI is going to lease some aircraft to operate flights during S20.

Wait what ?

Information via Google Flights. Everything is subject to change in these uncertain times...

Indeed. I don't see why TUI fly Belgium would lease foreign aircraft when they cannot even fly their own aircraft.

Nothing is certain in these times... We'll see what the future brings.

[UJspotting]

Information via Google Flights. Everything is subject to change in these uncertain times...

Indeed. I don't see why TUI fly Belgium would lease foreign aircraft when they cannot even fly their own aircraft.

Nothing is certain in these times... We'll see what the future brings.

Update: this is data that was added in 'Google flights' before the Coronavirus outbreak. This data from 'Google flights' is incorrect. My apologies!

[Bralo20]

How can you make plans while nobody knows what will be allowed, when, and which countries will eventually accept tourists?

Stop spreading nonsense, please.

In normal times JAF would indeed be leasing other planes as they do so virtually every year and on top of that they have the MAX issue which (imho) won't be flying anytime soon. But due to covid-19 we all can expect that plans have changed and most likely no planes will be leased since travelling outside Belgium for non-necessary trips (as are holidays) are not allowed and probably won't be allowed in the upcoming weeks (since in this case it takes at least 2 parties (Belgium and the other country, it's one thing to open Belgium for non-necessary travel but if no other country is opening their borders for foreigners you still can't go anywhere).

[Passenger]

Both TUI Airlines Belgium and touroperator TUI Belgium (and a few other TUI companies) have published their annual account 01/10/2018 -> 30/09/2019.

For TUI Airlines Belgium, the grounding of its 737 MAX fleet is shown in the result: 2018-2019 has a € 74,5M loss on a € 823M turnover. Own assets are now negative € 31M, with a reported loss (overgedragen verlies) of € 37,7M.

TUI explains that the 737MAX debackle has lead to more expensive external leases, with a higher fuel cost and a higher cost for EU-Rule 261/2004 (cost for 261/2004 = € 5,5M).

Luckily for TUI Airlines Belgium, TUI Belgium shows a huge € + 320M own assets, with € 251M reported profit.

My above “...Luckily for TUI Airlines Belgium…” was too optimistic. The annual accounts from both TUI Airlines and TUI Belgium show that a large part of their liquidity (from both) was transferred to / parked at the TUI AG cashpool in Germany.

On a sidenote: it is legal to send the surplus in cash to the foreign head office, whilst keeping them as “liquidity” in your own books. But it might be dangerous when things turn bad. The money that Thomas Cook Belgium had sent to the THC cashpool in the U.K., led directly to the bankruptcy of the Belgian THC entity. Remember the Belgian curatoren/curateurs are investigating a final cash transfer from € 5M from Belgium to the U.K., just two weeks before the bankruptcy.

Another problem for TUI Airlines (and TUI Belgium) is that the dossier “state support for Brussels Airlines” seems to confirm that German companies are not allowed to use German KfW state aid for their foreign entities - contrary thus to previously stated here.

I have read that TUI Airlines Belgium asked € 250M state aid. Is there any news about that? Is there conformation that TUI Germany may use their KfW loan for Belgium too? Is that €250M including or excluding the Belgian cash drain to Germany?

[sdbelgium]

OO-LOE departed this morning around 09.00 as JAF8951 to CAY/SOCA (Cayenne).

[sn26567]

OO-LOE departed this morning around 09.00 as JAF8951 to CAY/SOCA (Cayenne).

Pax or cargo (pepper ) ?

[sn26567]

TUIfly Belgium plans to operate the Lille – Fez route from 10 November 2020 with a Boeing 737-800.