Brussels region noise regulation

[lumumba]

In BRUZZ today.
Brussels Airport is proposing to isolated houses...like it's already done in other airports in Belgium LGG,CRL.
That exactly what I proposed some posts ago another option in LGG was also give the possibility to buy the house's....

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Arnaud Feist van Brussels Airport stelt een plan voor om de huizen van bewoners die lijden onder het vliegtuiglawaai, te isoleren.



Dat schrijft L’Echo vrijdag.

De baas van Brussels Airport, Arnaud Feist, verkondigde zijn ideeën over het beperken van de geluidsoverlast tijdens een conferentie in de B19 Business Club in Brussel.

Aan de ene kant stelt hij voor om vliegtuigen te concentreren op smalle vliegstroken, om zo het aantal overgevlogen huizen te verminderen.

Tegelijkertijd suggereert hij een programma voor akoestische isolatie van huizen, om de geluidsoverlast voor bewoners te verminderen. "Deze optie kan zeker overwogen worden, maar wij zijn niet degenen die besluiten. Dat is de politiek”, klinkt het.

De heer Feist verwacht echter geen vooruitgang in het dossier voor de gemeenteraadsverkiezingen en de federale verkiezingen.

De pistes voorgesteld door Feist respecteren een zekere logica en worden al toegepast door andere luchthavens, waaronder die in Wallonië (Liège Airport, Brussels South Charleroi Airport).

[sn26567]

Dat schrijft L’Echo vrijdag.

If it was in L'Echo, it was in French and it would have been better to post the original with what was "lost in translation".

Nevertheless, I spoke this morning with Philip Lawson, the journalist who wrote the article. In his view, this is the beginning of a solution for the BRU noise issue. In all airports in the world, they "concentrate and insulate". In Brussels, they disperse! Why not "concentrate and insulate" like in LGG and CRL?

Of course, the costs in the highly populated Brussels agglomeration would be much higher than in CRL or LGG, but there is already a fund with money available to start. Extending 25L to the East is part of that solution: the people under the prolonged 25L should be the first beneficiaries, together with the people of Woluwe mentioned in the article.

Of course, under special wind circumstances, there would still be people having more noise than usual, but that is only a minor disadvantage.

[lumumba]

I happy it could be the begging of the solution that's good news ....

[lumumba]

There is a big difference between 10 and 25 km.

And there's an equal difference in size between Brussels and London.

MOD EDIT: Censored, I warned you.

You did not answer about my proposition to isolated or buy houses in Kortenberg and Erps Kwerps?

Some posts ago....I said Brussels but I was not sure it could financially possible because population density.

[Acid-drop]

Have a look at google earth and you will understand the challenge and the difference with other airports.

[jan_olieslagers]

Mr. Bellot is fed up with being everybody's scapegoat:

(in Dutch) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/04/19 ... deren--br/

Without knowing every detail, I feel he has no reason to complain: nobody promised it would be easy to be a minister of transport. And if certain parties involved obstruct proceedings, it is for the government to govern - that is what they are paid for.

[lumumba]

Mr. Bellot is fed up with being everybody's scapegoat:

(in Dutch) https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/04/19 ... deren--br/

Without knowing every detail, I feel he has no reason to complain: nobody promised it would be easy to be a minister of transport. And if certain parties involved obstruct proceedings, it is for the government to govern - that is what they are paid for.

For one time we are agree

[sn-remember]

Now this seems interesting ..
In one word, it's about fixing the wind speed to 7 knots threshold to invert the way for take-off /landing.
Excerpt
"Concrètement, le ministre de la Mobilité veut mettre fin à un certain arbitraire dans l’utilisation des pistes à Brussels Airport. Il propose donc de fixer à 7 nœuds effectifs la norme de vent au-delà de laquelle on basculera les mouvements d’atterrissages et de décollages des pistes parallèles 25 (R et L) vers les mêmes infrastructures, mais dans le sens inverse (07R et 07L). Le basculement renvoie les atterrissages sur la piste diagonale 01 et les décollages sur les 07.
Actuellement, on change le sens des mouvements quand les normes sont comprises entre 5 et 7 nœuds.
En fixant avec autant de précision la norme de vent de basculement, le ministre Bellot revient à la situation qui prévalait avant 2003, c’est-à-dire avant le plan Anciaux. "Si la proposition du ministre Bellot est acceptée, elle stabiliserait l’utilisation préférentielle des pistes 25 (on passerait de 75% à près de 87%), ce qui est une meilleure garantie pour la sécurité aussi.
D’autres observateurs rappellent que la clarification des normes pourrait contribuer à augmenter la capacité horaire de Brussels Airport. Ce dernier passerait ainsi de 74 à 80 mouvements par heure."
https://www.lecho.be/dossier/survoldebr ... source=SIM

[Homo Aeroportus]

Now this seems interesting ..
In one word, it's about fixing the wind speed to 7 knots threshold to invert the way for take-off /landing.
Excerpt
"....Actuellement, on change le sens des mouvements quand les normes sont comprises entre 5 et 7 nœuds.
....

Not sure I understand what his intention is.

This is from the current AIP :

Does Bellot intends to increase the number of landings on 07 by raising the max allowed tail component from 3 to 7 kts?


H.A.

[Stij]

Personally, I think that's a great idea, if we can use the 07's in parallel because using 01 an 07R together reduces capacity significantly.

Could be a nice compromise to win Brussels over...

[Atco EBBR]

Personally, I think that's a great idea, if we can use the 07's in parallel because using 01 an 07R together reduces capacity significantly.

Yes indeed, would be much better for capacity!

Could be a nice compromise to win Brussels over...

I think the only way to win Brussels over would be to use 25R for arrivals and 07R for departures...

[Passenger]

I think the only way to win Brussels over would be to use 25R for arrivals and 07R for departures...

Yep. But shouldn't we then rename the airport into Steenokkerzeel Erps-Kwerps International Airport?

[jan_olieslagers]

[lumumba]

If they extend 25L and use it also for take off and there are no night flights over Brussels.

Plus a programme to isolate or buy the houses in Erps Kwerps,Kortenberg etc...I think we might find the solution.

[Passenger]

If they extend 25L and use it also for take off and there are no night flights over Brussels.

Plus a programme to isolate or buy the houses in Erps Kwerps,Kortenberg etc...I think we might find the solution.

You still don't get it, do you?

Brussels wants only the advantages of the airport: revenu generated from tourists, revenu generated by people working at the European Commission, revenu generated by people working at the Nato, revenu generated by people working at international headquarters, lobby firms, international press, ...

The disadvantages of the airport, specially the noise? They're for Flanders.

[lumumba]

If they extend 25L and use it also for take off and there are no night flights over Brussels.

Plus a programme to isolate or buy the houses in Erps Kwerps,Kortenberg etc...I think we might find the solution.

You still don't get it, do you?

Brussels wants only the advantages of the airport: revenu generated from tourists, revenu generated by people working at the European Commission, revenu generated by people working at the Nato, revenu generated by people working at international headquarters, lobby firms, international press, ...

The disadvantages of the airport, specially the noise? They're for Flanders.

I don't think so but let's see time will tell..
It's so much more complex .

[Passenger]

On request of Grimbergen, Machelen, Meise, Vilvoorde and Wemmel, a Judge has ruled that minister Bellot must make an aviation law before Februari 2020, and that minister Bellot must consult formally with all parties involved before 17th September 2018.

https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/re ... ~abb9f617/

[luchtzak]

And ... at least 150 inhabitants of the region of Brussels went to court against what they call Brussels Airport “torture”

https://www.aviation24.be/airports/bruss ... t-torture/

[convair]

And ... at least 150 inhabitants of the region of Brussels went to court against what they call Brussels Airport “torture”

https://www.aviation24.be/airports/bruss ... t-torture/

You never know what a judge may decide. There are some lunatics in our judiciary system; cfr hereunder:

On request of Grimbergen, Machelen, Meise, Vilvoorde and Wemmel, a Judge has ruled that minister Bellot must make an aviation law before Februari 2020....

[Passenger]

You never know what a judge may decide. There are some lunatics in our judiciary system; cfr hereunder:

On request of Grimbergen, Machelen, Meise, Vilvoorde and Wemmel, a Judge has ruled that minister Bellot must make an aviation law before Februari 2020....

Actually, when quoted in full, it's perhaps not that lunatic at all:

On request of Grimbergen, Machelen, Meise, Vilvoorde and Wemmel, a Judge has ruled that minister Bellot must make an aviation law before Februari 2020, and that minister Bellot must consult formally with all parties involved before 17th September 2018.