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2) related to this, do the emeritary airlines (qatar Emirates etc) send their crews and back on the same flight, or do they stay a night in brussels?
3) am I right in assuming SN crew typically rest a night abroad befote returning to brussels?
Thanks
1) removed
2) related to this, do the emeritary airlines (qatar Emirates etc) send their crews and back on the same flight, or do they stay a night in brussels?
3) am I right in assuming SN crew typically rest a night abroad befote returning to brussels?
Thanks
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All long-haul flights have a legal rest at Brussels, sending back the crew in positioning is economically not viable (less seats to sell).
A schedule of a Brussels Airlines pilot or cabin crew depends. You can have between 1 and 4 flights per day, if you have 2 or 4 it means that you always come back to Brussels. If you have 1 or 3 it means that you have a lay-over somewhere in Europe.
I should remove your hotel summary as it is rather private.
A schedule of a Brussels Airlines pilot or cabin crew depends. You can have between 1 and 4 flights per day, if you have 2 or 4 it means that you always come back to Brussels. If you have 1 or 3 it means that you have a lay-over somewhere in Europe.
I should remove your hotel summary as it is rather private.
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I presume the question is about long haul duties. Long haul crews will generally stay at destination, however you will also see companies trying to minimize those layovers by (if required) increasing to 3 men crew in case of stops on the way. 4 men crew are usually used on ultra long haul, or if the destination is too unstable/unsafe and the company prefers to keep the crew on the aircraft and bring everybody back home (destinations like Kabul, Daka,...).
It is also a security matter. Remember the terrorist attack in Mali a while back, they were after the Air France crew.
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The same crew onboard Iran Air flight from IKA to ARN fly the both ways (including a stop in PRG for refuelling). That's a long day.
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Thanks.
I presume the question is - do pilots and crew from Emirates et Ethihad or Qatar just stay a night in Brussels, or more? I remember asking a crew member when landing into IAD who said they just stayed a night cos the flight was a short hop from Amsterdam. So they left the next day. Would that be similar across most airlines?
Sorry, no security threat or what not intended with earlier question. Just see some vans full of crews sometimes so was curious to find out. 'T's all
Cheers
I presume the question is - do pilots and crew from Emirates et Ethihad or Qatar just stay a night in Brussels, or more? I remember asking a crew member when landing into IAD who said they just stayed a night cos the flight was a short hop from Amsterdam. So they left the next day. Would that be similar across most airlines?
Sorry, no security threat or what not intended with earlier question. Just see some vans full of crews sometimes so was curious to find out. 'T's all
Cheers
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It depend how regular are the flights, if there is a flight everyday, the layover is normally more or less 24h if there are less than a daily flight, the crew stay a bit longer.domtom wrote: ↑11 Mar 2017, 22:54 Thanks.
I presume the question is - do pilots and crew from Emirates et Ethihad or Qatar just stay a night in Brussels, or more? I remember asking a crew member when landing into IAD who said they just stayed a night cos the flight was a short hop from Amsterdam. So they left the next day. Would that be similar across most airlines?
Sorry, no security threat or what not intended with earlier question. Just see some vans full of crews sometimes so was curious to find out. 'T's all
Cheers
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In British airways publicly sharing where crew are staying (or even "checking in" in a specific hotel on Facebook for example) is considered to be gross misconduct with possible dismissal, so airlines do take this a serious security sensitive info
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Good point - presume the same rule applies to SN in Africa then?crew1990 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2017, 23:15It depend how regular are the flights, if there is a flight everyday, the layover is normally more or less 24h if there are less than a daily flight, the crew stay a bit longer.domtom wrote: ↑11 Mar 2017, 22:54 Thanks.
I presume the question is - do pilots and crew from Emirates et Ethihad or Qatar just stay a night in Brussels, or more? I remember asking a crew member when landing into IAD who said they just stayed a night cos the flight was a short hop from Amsterdam. So they left the next day. Would that be similar across most airlines?
Sorry, no security threat or what not intended with earlier question. Just see some vans full of crews sometimes so was curious to find out. 'T's all
Cheers
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If I'm not mistaken, the "Flying Spanner" on board (some) SN AFI flights remains on board for the return flight, no?
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What's flying spanner? Crew that's on the same plane and kicks into gear for the return leg? Any destinations you know of that work this way?Homo Aeroportus wrote: ↑12 Mar 2017, 12:14 If I'm not mistaken, the "Flying Spanner" on board (some) SN AFI flights remains on board for the return flight, no?
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It's an endearment term for, as Established02 said, a licenced aircraft engineer and as such you shouldn't expect him to "kick tires".domtom wrote: ↑13 Mar 2017, 08:36What's flying spanner? Crew that's on the same plane and kicks into gear for the return leg? Any destinations you know of that work this way?Homo Aeroportus wrote: ↑12 Mar 2017, 12:14 If I'm not mistaken, the "Flying Spanner" on board (some) SN AFI flights remains on board for the return flight, no?
H.A.
S/he is a valuable assets to the airline especially when the outstation has limited tech resources.
The Flying Spanner will either "fix" technical issues himself or be instrumental in communicating with the operations at home to help solving the problem swiftly, thereby avoiding a costly AOG.
I don't know on which lines SN deploys them but I seem to remember flights in East Africa, KGL, EBB, NBO, having a Flying Spanner on board.
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When there is an evening flight, arriving outside Brussel (e.g. Madrid) at around 10 pm, and an early morning flight leaving Madrid for Brussels at e.g. around 7 am, I suppose those flights are not operated by the same crew?
Because the time to get from the airport to the hotel in the evening, and the time to get from the hotel to the airport in the early morning would leave very little time for the crew to sleep?
So, at most outposts, there are at least two crews of the airlines at the hotel?
Regards,
Duke
Because the time to get from the airport to the hotel in the evening, and the time to get from the hotel to the airport in the early morning would leave very little time for the crew to sleep?
So, at most outposts, there are at least two crews of the airlines at the hotel?
Regards,
Duke
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If I remember well, schedules at Sabena looked a bit like:
Day 1: BRU-TXL-BRU-GVA (last flight of the day to leave after 9PM f.e.)
Day 2: GVA-BRU-MAD-BRU (flight leaving GVA at around 1.30PM f.e.)
Day 1: BRU-TXL-BRU-GVA (last flight of the day to leave after 9PM f.e.)
Day 2: GVA-BRU-MAD-BRU (flight leaving GVA at around 1.30PM f.e.)
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Shift crew.Duke wrote: ↑14 Mar 2017, 21:05 When there is an evening flight, arriving outside Brussel (e.g. Madrid) at around 10 pm, and an early morning flight leaving Madrid for Brussels at e.g. around 7 am, I suppose those flights are not operated by the same crew?
Because the time to get from the airport to the hotel in the evening, and the time to get from the hotel to the airport in the early morning would leave very little time for the crew to sleep?
So, at most outposts, there are at least two crews of the airlines at the hotel?
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