Brussels Airport (BRU) infrastructure: future

[sean1982]

There is no airco supplied to any Ryanair or Easy plane at the stands. They could opt to have that supplied also, but that would prolong the turn-around time by a few minutes. So airco is only on when the engines are running. That's why you sometimes get complaints by half baked pax when they have to wait in the plane with the doors closed

Lies again. Ryanair SOP is ... Outside temperature above 23C: APU is run all the time. Below that: on the pursers request.

[Stij]

Can we focus again on BRU's future infrastructure instead of on APU's please?

In the name of the vast majority of our members, thank-you,

Stij

EDIT: typo!

[Conti764]

I've never heard of these MARS positions, but they seem quite efficient. An option for BRU?

A shame they abolished the triple jetbridge... Is EK so influenced by 22/03...?

[Inquirer]

Now that we know the extension of the A Pier is still BRU's top priority in order to accomodate the growth of its home carrier and we have been given some guidance on timing by Atlantis, it would be interesting to also have an idea of the budget reserved for this.

I understand much will depend on the final choices made as to the number of positions as well as their fitting, but from the comments by Atlantis it seems the size/volume of the extension itself is roughly fixed (= comprising the current parking positions of the no service airlines), so how much are we roughly talking about?

BTW, Sean: I don't get your anger about all of this?
After falsely claiming ryanair pays as much as others at BRU, are you now seriously suggesting to us BRU can not hope to recover the investments in additional airport infrastructure through (relatively small) user fees and (additional) service charges on a per capita base, over time, from those airlines that do pay more?
May I remember you such was exacty the mantra you have long been spreading when it came to infrastructural investments in CRL and its likes -often even with public money in those cases-, whenever those had to be expanded in order to follow up on its growth?
And its not like the fees and charges at those publically held airports are much higher than those at privately held BRU, quite on the contrary even, I should think?

[Atlantis]

Now that we know the extension of the A Pier is still BRU's top priority in order to accomodate the growth of its home carrier and we have been given some guidance on timing by Atlantis, it would be interesting to also have an idea of the budget reserved for this.

I understand much will depend on the final choices made as to the number of positions as well as their fitting, but from the comments by Atlantis it seems the size/volume of the extension itself is roughly fixed (= comprising the current parking positions of the no service airlines), so how much are we roughly talking about?

BTW, Sean: I don't get your anger about all of this?
After falsely claiming ryanair pays as much as others at BRU, are you now seriously suggesting to us BRU can not hope to recover the investments in additional airport infrastructure through (relatively small) user fees and (additional) service charges on a per capita base, over time, from those airlines that do pay more?
May I remember you such was exacty the mantra you have long been spreading when it came to infrastructural investments in CRL and its likes -often even with public money in those cases-, whenever those had to be expanded in order to follow up on its growth?
And its not like the fees and charges at those publically held airports are much higher than those at privately held BRU, quite on the contrary even, I should think?

Hi Inquirer,

In aviation the needs are changing all the time indeed. The needs of a few years ago are not the needs of today.
Today we have a very strong and solid home carrier. This strong home carrier is very attractive for other Star Alliance members to come to BRU as SN offers an excellent European network, Africa, The States and soon Asia.
There will be a huge focus on long haul in this extension.

At this stage it is too early to say how many gates will be build but it will be a nice high amount. They only can extent once, so better to foreseen everything than.

[Inquirer]

Hi Inquirer,
In aviation the needs are changing all the time indeed. The needs of a few years ago are not the needs of today.
Today we have a very strong and solid home carrier. This strong home carrier is very attractive for other Star Alliance members to come to BRU as SN offers an excellent European network, Africa, The States and soon Asia.

I wouldn't say the needs have changed that much really, but what has happened since a few years is that both Brussels Airport and Brussels Airlines have finally understood that as being 2 Belgian-based, privately owned companies which a strong focus on homegrown growth, the best chances come if they work together.
In the past, I think it's a correct observation to state BRU didn't see its home carrier as the best vehicle to deliver that growth, hence it was constantly flirting with -amongst others- Jetairways or Vueling.
Not entirely unjust either, because they never showed what they were obviously capable off!
As you say, today, they do, so more interesting home based options now exist which offer much more options, as well as better long term stability, so IMHO BRU is right to fully embrace those instead.

There will be a huge focus on long haul in this extension.
At this stage it is too early to say how many gates will be build but it will be a nice high amount. They only can extent once, so better to foreseen everything than.

Yes, indeed: I think BRU can take on a lot more intercontinental destinations than it does today if you see what nearby airports in Europe often have on offer globally, so it would be wise not to underdeliver on the expansion of the A Pier indeed: the hub of Brussels doesn't seem to be done with growing, just yet.
As I've said in a related topic: their Bombay route is a potential game changer for Brussels Airlines and the airport as it opens up a whole new approach to their hub and core business, next to just being the niche Africa specialist with some USA and the regular EU feeding of those flights: quite a few STAR alliance routes from other continents to AMS and CDG could just as well (better even) flow through BRU, if the cards are well played and having a solid home based carrier with an attractive network to feed into is crucial to that.

[Stij]

I understand that handling all * alliance non-schengen flights from A West is perfect for * alliance transfer passengers, but won't the B pier then be very empty?
Long Haul: 1TB, 2 DL's, 1 AA, 1 EK, 1 HU, 1 EY, 1 QR
Short/Medium-Haul: 1 LY, 2 SU, 6 BA, 2 EI, 2FR...

Or... can all non * alliance flights, including Schengen be accomodated there (after rebuilding a bit of course) to make A the exclusive *Alliance terminal.

EDIT: FI removed

[ezis_bis]

If I am not mistaken, FI Icelandair is A Pier, as Iceland is in EFTA/Schengen

This makes the B Pier emptier though

But as you said;
A exclusive *A (and related)
B all non *A

That sounds very handy
You already have one Security check in Connector
Just need to add an new Non-Schengen Passport control I suppose somewhere mid-Pier B

I wonder if this is realistic/feasible

[nordikcam]

I understand that handling all * alliance non-schengen flights from A West is perfect for * alliance transfer passengers, but won't the B pier then be very empty?
Long Haul: 1TB, 2 DL's, 1 AA, 1 EK, 1 FI, 1 HU, 1 EY, 1 QR
Short/Medium-Haul: 1 LY, 2 SU, 6 BA, 2 EI, 2FR...

Or... can all non * alliance flights, including Schengen be accomodated there (after rebuilding a bit of course) to make A the exclusive *Alliance terminal.

You can add too @ the B pier : AT - TU - AH - MS - TS. I do not remember if RO and LZ/FB are flying from A or B and all Turkish companies

[Stij]

If I am not mistaken, FI Icelandair is A Pier, as Iceland is in EFTA/Schengen

Oops

[nordikcam]

I understand that handling all * alliance non-schengen flights from A West is perfect for * alliance transfer passengers, but won't the B pier then be very empty?
Long Haul: 1TB, 2 DL's, 1 AA, 1 EK, 1 FI, 1 HU, 1 EY, 1 QR
Short/Medium-Haul: 1 LY, 2 SU, 6 BA, 2 EI, 2FR...

Or... can all non * alliance flights, including Schengen be accomodated there (after rebuilding a bit of course) to make A the exclusive *Alliance terminal.

You can add too @ the B pier : AT - 3O - TU - AH - MS - TS. I do not remember if RO and LZ/FB are flying from A or B and all Turkish companies

[Stij]

You can add too @ the B pier : AT - TU - AH - MS - TS. I do not remember if RO and LZ/FB are flying from A or B and all Turkish companies

Of course my list was incomplete, but MS and TK are * Alliance!

[nordikcam]

You can add too @ the B pier : AT - TU - AH - MS - TS. I do not remember if RO and LZ/FB are flying from A or B and all Turkish companies

Of course my list was incomplete, but MS and TK are * Alliance!

Oups for MS...true but Freebird / Corendon / Sun Air etc...etc...except TK ...

[Inquirer]

Just another small question related to the future extension works on the A Pier, also related to another topic discussed some time ago, if I may, Atlantis? Will it also include US pre-clearance facilities?
I remember having read some time ago BRU was selected by the US to host pre-clearance, so if the airport is indeed interested in that service, it should definitely be included in the new facilities, no?
Personally, I think it would be a huge bonus for the Brussels hub if it would indeed be able for people to clear US immigration while waiting on the ground in between their flights in future!
It would be the only STAR alliance hub in Europe offering that, and one of the few airports in the world even, so such could become another selling point of theirs: important in the direct competition between nearby airports on the more common transatlantic routes and which are very popular through Amsterdam, London or Paris: cutting out the connecting time AND/OR the waiting time at the end will help sell BRU as starting/transfer point a lot.

[Atlantis]

Just another small question related to the future extension works on the A Pier, also related to another topic discussed some time ago, if I may, Atlantis? Will it also include US pre-clearance facilities?
I remember having read some time ago BRU was selected by the US to host pre-clearance, so if the airport is indeed interested in that service, it should definitely be included in the new facilities, no?
Personally, I think it would be a huge bonus for the Brussels hub if it would indeed be able for people to clear US immigration while waiting on the ground in between their flights in future!
It would be the only STAR alliance hub in Europe offering that, and one of the few airports in the world even, so such could become another selling point of theirs: important in the direct competition between nearby airports on the more common transatlantic routes and which are very popular through Amsterdam, London or Paris: cutting out the connecting time AND/OR the waiting time at the end will help sell BRU as starting/transfer point a lot.

Hi Inquirer,

BRU was and is indeed selected as one of the first European airports to install this US pre-clearance. It will be indeed also implemented as it received green light.

For the travellers will be a huge saving of time when they will arrive in The States. They don't have to wait for hours in the queues anymore.
Everything will be done here at the airport.

[skumfiduse]

Just another small question related to the future extension works on the A Pier, also related to another topic discussed some time ago, if I may, Atlantis? Will it also include US pre-clearance facilities?
I remember having read some time ago BRU was selected by the US to host pre-clearance, so if the airport is indeed interested in that service, it should definitely be included in the new facilities, no?
Personally, I think it would be a huge bonus for the Brussels hub if it would indeed be able for people to clear US immigration while waiting on the ground in between their flights in future!
It would be the only STAR alliance hub in Europe offering that, and one of the few airports in the world even, so such could become another selling point of theirs: important in the direct competition between nearby airports on the more common transatlantic routes and which are very popular through Amsterdam, London or Paris: cutting out the connecting time AND/OR the waiting time at the end will help sell BRU as starting/transfer point a lot.

Hi Inquirer,

BRU was and is indeed selected as one of the first European airports to install this US pre-clearance. It will be indeed also implemented as it received green light.

For the travellers will be a huge saving of time when they will arrive in The States. They don't have to wait for hours in the queues anymore.
Everything will be done here at the airport.

When this facility is materialised, it will certainly be another added value of Brussels Airport, strengthening the sustainability of the (current) transatlantic offer.

[Stij]

I removed two posts because they were off topic!

Stick to the future of BRU's infrastructure.

Stij

[Stij]

When this facility is materialised, it will certainly be another added value of Brussels Airport, strengthening the sustainability of the (current) transatlantic offer.

I really applaud this as waiting in the lines at US airports is a real pain in the *ss.

But I'm afraid this advantage will only be temporary as other gateways will follow later on.

Cheers,

Stij

[Freken]

In a few days ANPR cameras, those that scan license plates, will be installed and activated around the airport. Temporary controls on the A201 will be abolished, although there will be random checks of vehicles based on information from these cameras.

Further more, biometric cameras will be installed as well in and around the terminal, scanning for wanted and possible dangerous persons.

What puzzles me the most is how an airport the size of BRU didn't already have ANPR cameras installed, given that a lot of small towns already have these..

At the end of the article, there is the usual reaction of the VSOA union, who are already blaming the government for a possible second attack. Thank God the pre-check was so safe!

SOURCE: http://m.deredactie.be/#!/snippet/57b3e ... 6058ac1cbb

[lumumba]

That's very good news ...
This Police does not understand that if it's only happening in Brussels that the Airport is not attractive anymore compared to the other ones.

It's very selfish to think like that they just want to make more jobs for them.
I don't here very much excuses from them about there mistakes in Mechelen etc...