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yagoceron
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Japanese handling

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It is not always easy to park a 747 as the pilot hardly sees you.

So I was particularly amused to see how the Japanese have solved the problem :D

Maybe it is used in other places around the world but I had never seen it before. I'll happily hear about any feedback you have.

And if somebody can find a picture of the truck itself that would be just great.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/928649/L/

[Moderator OO-VEX has removed the picture, as it was not in line with forum rule 9 (no pics allowed bigger than 640*480) and rule 22 (copyright protected picture)]

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Post by earthman »

At Schiphol the handling appears to be done using light signals on the terminal building. I would have expected that the Japanese would have some amazing gizmo for that task..

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Post by vc-10 »

Isn't there some form of sensor to guide the plane in like on the back of expensive cars? SONAR etc?

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Post by Bob_Marcotte »

In BRU there's a guidance system that tells pilots if they're left or right of the centerline and how much further they can taxi (counting down till 0.1m I think). When STOP flashes then that's exactly what the pilots should do :)


Nice picture btw 8)

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Post by yagoceron »

Is that system visual?

In CDG it is more or less all right to park a 747 by hand signal but at MAD for example the aircraft comes so near the terminal that sometimes I wonder how they see you :D

PD. Sorry about the pic, lesson learned :oops:

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Post by Bob_Marcotte »

Not really sure what you mean by visual but the following picture will make clear what I'm trying to say:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/183742/L/


The numbers you see in the yellow squares on the picture are the parking positions. The large black "screens" underneath or above these numbers are there for the pilots. That's where the information is shown that I was talking about in my previous post...

Much easier than the Japanese system if you ask me :D

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Post by yagoceron »

Thanks, I see now exactly what you mean :wink:

Much easier yes, but I love "parking" the planes, even small ones like the two CRJ I parked today because the dedicated agent did not arrive on time :D

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Bob_Marcotte wrote:In BRU there's a guidance system that tells pilots if they're left or right of the centerline and how much further they can taxi (counting down till 0.1m I think). When STOP flashes then that's exactly what the pilots should do

That seems to be the same system they have at CHC. It is programmable with the A/c code, if the wrong code is put in & the sensors pick up it's not the same type as programed for that gate then the :stop: flashes. I will try to find the link to that info for you. It states in great detail how the system operates.
PS. Once when I flew into NRT & we approached the gate our 'plane had to do a sudden :stop: for some reason, perhaps the flagman hadn't seen us :lookaround: :shakehead:

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Post by n5528p »

It's called a DGS (=Docking Guidance Sstem). There are many different versions in use, the most modern versions scan the position with some kind of sensor (also different ones in use, some laser, some radar. some cameras) access a database to identify the type and display the taxi information accordingly. Some systems also use sensors integrated ni the center lighting of the position or combine both kind of sensing systems.

It could work totally automatically, but for safety reasons many airports require the stand free check and the selection of the aircraft type to be performed or at least confirmed by an operator.

There are also some simpler versions in use - a company from NZ has developed a mirror which allows the pilot to see the stop point markings on the ground - in order to work the markings have to be painted mirror-inverted.

Other systems work with pure geometry, but these can only be used from the pilot - or two systems have to be installed, one for each crew member.
I like this one very much, because I think it's most fascinating that the problem can be solved just by thinking about some rather basic geometry and maths, without having to use tons of wires (aside from lighting), cameras, sensors and computers.

Regards, Bernhard

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Post by bigjulie »

In Christchurch it is called the "Nose In Guidance System", but, it sounds similar to, if not the same as, the one you are quoting, n5528p.

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